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and good evening from philadelphia frank

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here with another episode of

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ufo news network sunday uh we're all set

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to go with another fabulous show

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let me bring in my co-host the one the

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chant hannah how are you tonight chant

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i'm doing well frank and thank you so

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much for the show tonight

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we are going to engage with a really

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wonderful person

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and a very special guest and our guest

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victor vigiani a former elementary

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school principal in toronto canada

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victor is currently the news director z

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land communications

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znn an international news service his

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study of anomalous aerial phenomenon

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research and analysis of extra

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terrestrial issues spans over 40 years

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his experience involves ufo

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sightings report investigation academic

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and radio journalism

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with the primary focus on ufo slash et

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victor has addressed the media and

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audiences in sydney and brisbane

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he's also appeared on cbc television

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toronto global television news

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toronto and ctv television toronto

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he has presented several lecture series

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at the university of toronto

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victor served as one of the leading

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coordinators of the symposium

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on ufo disclosure and planetary

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directions at the university of

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toronto's

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convocation hall in september of 05 at

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this event

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the honorary paul hellyer former deputy

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minister

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and of canada came forward to challenge

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the canadian government to release what

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it knows about the uap phenomenon

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the symposium marked the first time a

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democratically elected

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member of a north american cabinet and

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former minister of national defense has

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come forward publicly to present his

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views on this topic

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many in the ufo research community

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credit this event as being one of the

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most significant occurrences in the area

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of disclosure

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victor has also engaged in extensive

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on-site ufo research

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in the american southwest including

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locations such as area 51

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victor has a bachelor of arts degree in

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sociology and psychology

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and a master's of education

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victor is currently a co-host of the

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conspiracy show with richard cirot on

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am 740 radio in toronto he resides in

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and i cannot pronounce the name of that

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place for you live victor

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welcome to the show can you pronounce it

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for me mississauga wonderful well we are

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so grateful to have you on the show

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i had a question for you oh what was

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uh the reasoning and the impetus for

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the z land uh publication and platform

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that you have can you please give us a

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little run down on that

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thanks so the idea and we can get into

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um i guess a little bit later with

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respect to the way

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even say through maybe the united states

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there's no news agency specifically

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information is that work we're going to

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discuss tonight there's no other

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not a reuters

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or anything like that but just a new

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service that's dedicated just to

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get get the news out get what's current

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was something that i felt um there was a

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so you have to look at not taking inside

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issues really really are with respect

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to this entire matter because it's so

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diverse and we can't do everything all

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podcast like this help get the

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informing people and educating

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all of them with respect to the to the

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uh victor let me jump in really quick

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and that can you go over the the

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mean uh what the uh what specifically uh

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germane to that at this point but we do

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that that people need to know about and

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with virtually as as as chant

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tv outlets global news which is a very

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exposing some of the norad stories and i

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the risk of getting that information out

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inquiries are being made about how

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information is shared among norad and

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and so norway plays a huge role in all

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that and it's a canadian organization

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that's well respected but

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there are things that they know that we

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with respect to all of these news

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agencies and getting that information

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great um victor i wanted to mention

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something that's kind of important for

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know more about if they are not uh

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privy to it or have not educated

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themselves on this topic and that is

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2017 helen cooper ralph blumenthal and

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leslie keane wrote a wonderful article

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uh titled glowing arrows and black money

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the pentagon's mysterious ufo program

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they feel that this topic is a form of

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the disclosure from the u.s government

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now um not so much for me i would like

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it's a little lacking uh it's it's if

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that is full disclosure from the us

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but i wanted to ask you uh you know how

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and i wanted to find out more from you

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too by the way but what are your

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thoughts when people say oh that was

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that was full disclosure from the us

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it's a it's a really good way of looking

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back in 2017 in december and why it

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that the decision to go to the extent

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of um the new york times making the

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critical decision to send three

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reporters after this

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and talk about what um senator harry

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reid did

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with his colleagues in the senate to get

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from the senate and it's still to this

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day there's no one who

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i know of who knows where that money

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exactly came from but it was

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completely guaranteed funding for the

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for the the pentagon program

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so that has never ever happened before

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uh we only found out about it and 17 had

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more than 10 years so you can see the

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the amount of secrecy involved in all of

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public really germinate the question so

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who knows what and when are we going to

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now there's no way this is completely

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full disclosure i mean it may be

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acknowledgment there's a big difference

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acknowledgement means well okay yeah

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it's there

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but disclosure is another phase of

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and that's where i think you're right

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chant we it's not enough

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what they spoke to us about or what's

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and admitted to by the pentagon and the

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us navy the things that they are

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of that sort of puzzle called uh

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disclosure so

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it is disclosure but it's not full

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disclosure by

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any imagination i can think of i also

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wanted to bring up something that i

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think is

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relatively important and that is um

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for some reason uh folks uh i i don't

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know why

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i i have a very biased opinion i want to

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share and that is i don't know why folks

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really

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think that the u.s government would have

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studied ufos for say five or seven years

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and then just dropped the program

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um i think anything that traverses our

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skies

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both in the u.s or anywhere outside of

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the u.s

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the government would want to know uh

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when i say the government i mean any

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first through third world government

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around the planet

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they would all want to know uh what is

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up in the sky

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and they would want to study it and they

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would have programs to do so

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now um so in this article

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that was published on december 16 2017

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indicates that that uh

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uap related program was only on for

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really

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for that long

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i don't believe that i don't even think

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that's possible

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what are your thoughts on that do you

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think that we only had a uap program for

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so many years and then stopped

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i personally think we never stopped

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having one

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well uh he we get back to the uh to the

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idea of the acknowledgement

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and and and disclosure if you look back

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in history um

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19 i think it's 1967 and 68 when the the

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congress

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actually held ufo hearings and that's

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that was the first and only

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um congressional congressional hearing

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on this subject matter that to which

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many many people

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gave testimony to um jaylen heineck

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being one of them

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and uh it's it's really important that

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it came from

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the initiative of a very very unlikely

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soul

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um mr rumsfeld former secretary of

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defense

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he introduced jaylen heineck and

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rumsfeld at the time was a senator

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and i find it very interesting that this

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kind of individual

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would support advance or whatever

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you know an operator like jaylen heineck

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who was told to do one thing in project

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blue book but it turned out he did

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another

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okay so when you look at how all of this

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unfolds

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you have to come to the conclusion that

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there is a level of

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of suppression in this information and

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to even acknowledge one little small bit

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of it like what's going on right now

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i think it's absolutely uh devastating

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information that we need to know about

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interesting i wanted to jump to another

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topic and just ask you about it

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and that is the canadian norad air

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traffic control logs of 2001.

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um you know before i delve into this

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topic can you just go ahead and give us

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a little summary of it so that our

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listeners can be better

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more familiarized with it yeah with with

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norad itself

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yeah the topic with regards to uh

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specifically cor

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canadian norad air traffic control logs

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of 2001

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right right well people have to

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understand

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and your audience probably some of them

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actually know but norad

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is a sort of a radar defense system that

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covers the entire

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continent of the united states and

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canada together

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it's a joint operation um our jets

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are are all designated to um to norad as

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an entity so when anything happens in

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the skies

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it's international in in scope these

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jets are up in the sky

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automatically and they report back down

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to say whatever was going on

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in the in the airspace so they

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look at all kinds of radar stuff going

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on satellite stuff

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so norad is a very very important entity

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both in the united states and canada so

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what happened in 2001

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was i discovered uh that i learned about

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it and i think it was 2006 or 2007.

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i made a request to the uh uh to our

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which

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the counterpart is the the foia the

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freedom information act up here we call

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it the

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access to information process so i

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applied to that

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and got back 101 pages

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of information of what i wanted to look

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for and it took me five attempts to do

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that because

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i wasn't using the right language that i

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talked about ufos and they didn't want

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to hear about ufos

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so i had to find out what their language

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was

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so if you ask the right question with

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the right language you're going to get

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the right answer i was using

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yeah it's it's they didn't they didn't

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want to you know we can't respond to ufo

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stuff

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in any case they sent me this report of

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101 pages

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and within that there were six pages

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where uh it described the flight in 2001

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september of two safe 18 jets

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they were scrambled out of comox air

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force base in british columbia up here

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in

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northwest canada and they were

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tasked to chase three unidentified

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objects as they call them unknowns or

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tois tracts of interest they're

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automatically scrambled

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these jets took off and began to climb

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to about

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000 pardon me 35 000 feet and they

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encountered

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these three objects and as this was

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going on a medical evacuation jet in the

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same area at the same time

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saw the three objects and went to take

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off towards them

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but they couldn't catch them is what was

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reported to norad by the medical

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evacuation

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uh pilot they just could not keep up

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with these three objects they didn't

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know what they

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were but then it eventually turned out

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it looks like our connection is a little

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intermittent there

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but i know he'll catch up with us in

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just a second

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uh while we're waiting oh there you go

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there you go victor you broke up a

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little bit

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yeah when you were talking about the uh

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medical plane

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okay um the part where the medical

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evacuation jet came in

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right right when the cf-18s were chasing

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these three things

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uh the medical evacuation um

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uh was in a better position to see what

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and then in the back yeah

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and then several lines down from that

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it's it reads that the cf-18 pilot

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reports to the air traffic control

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contact made at 35 000 feet

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and then there's a line that's redacted

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yeah and uh after that um contact lost

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and then it all

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it went through a whole protege each

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line is like two or three milliseconds

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apart

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so this was very clear this pilot saw

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something

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at 35 000 feet but it disappeared so

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um that is significant and there's no

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report on it and there's no gun camera

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information but

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the really unique thing about this i

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asked for all of these kinds of

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encounters all of them

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oh just to jump in really quick victor

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uh just to jump in really quick uh do

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you have the specs on the fighter jet i

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mean what's the

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what was the top speed on that

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particular jet did they get anywhere

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near that do you know

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oh to uh the the cfa teams can go

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up to probably oh gosh 600

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670 miles per hour okay top speed

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yeah top speed i just want to let our

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listeners know

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uh what norad stands for because

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sometimes we will actually

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make liberal use of acronyms on our

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shows and not ever really explain what

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there but it's the north american

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aerospace defense command

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just a little background on it it was

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known until a

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march of 81 as a north american air

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defense

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command and it's a combined organization

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of the us and canada that provides

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aerospace warning air sovereignty and

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protection for northern

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uh america now uh you said that you had

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asked five was it

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five different you asked five times

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regarding the information can you just

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inform us a little bit more about what

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you're about to say regarding that

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yeah uh the the the language that i was

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using to ask to make the request from

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the

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access to information people yeah well i

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used the term

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ufo and i shouldn't have you guys i

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didn't know i didn't realize what you're

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doing

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were you not even not even yeah this was

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back further did not even

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even be long before that term uap came

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out

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long before that yeah okay well i i just

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want to let you know frank and i have

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covered the foyer topic

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quite a few times um probably with

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christian lambright who has

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um and rightfully so along paul dean

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we've also talked to him about this

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topic

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jen aldrich as well all historians

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epic uh who actually were very hard like

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you do

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on requesting foias regularly

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and that is basically the basis of much

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of their work

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and talking about how difficult it can

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be

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i know you know what they're talking

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about to just receive

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anything um much less a reaction and

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most the time as you probably

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know it's it's no or some kind of uh

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irrational or strange response that

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makes no sense regarding the topics

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they're requesting

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and so it's just very interesting that

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you actually got any information

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yeah so i'm glad you kept trying well

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i had to because it's like you know that

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you have to fight remember the old thing

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on your

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tv dial where you could fine-tune the

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channel

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you know yeah it was a little bit gray

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or a little bit grainy or something and

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as you fine-tuned it

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you get the nice picture that's what

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that's what those

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four or five requests were i was trying

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to fine-tune

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what what they wanted me to use as

572
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:29,679
language to describe what i wanted and i

573
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:31,679
didn't know their language i didn't know

574
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:34,320
toi's tracks of interest i didn't know

575
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:36,480
uncorrelated targets i didn't know what

576
00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:37,120
unknown

577
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:39,280
tracks were so but if i'd have asked for

578
00:20:43,029 --> 00:20:41,039
those to begin with

579
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:43,039
they might have been more more more

580
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:45,039
quick of a response

581
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:48,240
but i just didn't know those things yeah

582
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:50,480
so and then on top of what you mentioned

583
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:51,520
there's a little bit of

584
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:53,679
uh well we'll wait to see about that

585
00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:55,039
we've done this and done that

586
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:57,280
and you're gonna reappeal sometimes you

587
00:21:03,990 --> 00:20:59,679
just have to go after them again

588
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:05,990
yeah one last thing i want to mention

589
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:07,679
before we move on to another topic and

590
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:08,480
that is i think

591
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,760
john or sorry david pilates mentioned

592
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:13,760
at one time when i was listening to him

593
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:15,600
on a show um

594
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:19,039
that he had been faced with having um

595
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:21,200
a bill presented to him if he wanted to

596
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:22,400
go through with receiving

597
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:25,679
certain foias that was like

598
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:28,480
the amount was just astronomical and it

599
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:30,080
was just because he was a

600
00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:32,720
private citizen asking for information

601
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:34,400
and not an organization or something

602
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:36,080
like that but anyway i wanted to

603
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:38,559
bring up our next topic and that is john

604
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:39,120
mack

605
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:42,559
talk to you about something first before

606
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:42,960
we

607
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:46,080
go over him and that is this there

608
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:48,880
are a few different categories in the

609
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,320
realm of ufology

610
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:52,400
and that is abductees contact these

611
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:53,440
witnesses

612
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:56,720
and uh uh there is another one it'll

613
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:58,400
come to me in just a moment

614
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:01,600
but uh experiencers now i had a talk

615
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:03,360
with uh

616
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:05,440
actually a well-known historian last

617
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:06,480
night uh

618
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:09,200
regarding the ufo topic and we discussed

619
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:10,960
how interestingly

620
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:14,080
uh these these these topics actually are

621
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:16,880
intricately connected and they change

622
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:18,000
for a person

623
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,320
so a person can that's an abductee can

624
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:22,799
become a contact or an experiencer

625
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:25,120
um and vice versa for some of these

626
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:26,000
other categories

627
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:29,200
again experiencer contacty abductee and

628
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:30,240
witness

629
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:33,360
topics

630
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:36,720
so wanted to ask you have you ever

631
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:40,320
encountered any abductees that were ever

632
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:43,039
just they began as witnesses or

633
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:44,480
contactees

634
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,440
or you know experiencers because being

635
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:49,360
an experiencer you can actually have it

636
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:51,039
happen to you intangibly you don't have

637
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:52,720
to physically be abducted

638
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:55,919
can you touch on those topics

639
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:58,240
yeah the the process of going through

640
00:23:02,710 --> 00:22:59,600
that with individuals

641
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:02,720
is really uh unique uh it's it's uh

642
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:04,000
the more you get into it the more

643
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,000
questions you have but

644
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:08,320
essentially what happens is that

645
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:09,919
depending on the context of how one

646
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:11,200
person meets another

647
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:13,600
do you meet together in a group with two

648
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:14,880
or three people who want to talk about

649
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,400
this you want to just meet with

650
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:18,720
one individual who wants to share their

651
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,720
information

652
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:22,080
it's hard to tell what the motivation

653
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,840
really is um

654
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:25,280
if you want to speak at the at the

655
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,960
individual level if i get a phone call

656
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:28,320
from someone because they

657
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:30,640
know they knew me and this is back eight

658
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:31,919
or ten years now

659
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:34,400
um through the contacts that i have and

660
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:35,520
the work that i do

661
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:37,120
i'd get a call and say i'd like to talk

662
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:38,960
about something what is it well

663
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:40,960
i think i've had some experiences like

664
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:43,039
just find out what's going on

665
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:45,520
so i'd uh i usually would invite them to

666
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:47,840
our group we had a group at the time of

667
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:50,080
a bunch of experiences and the more

668
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:51,039
people that came

669
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:52,799
together to talk about their experiences

670
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:54,400
it became obvious

671
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:55,760
that these people did not want any

672
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:57,520
notoriety

673
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,960
they did not want to go and show them

674
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:00,480
their rooftops they just want to

675
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:02,720
understand what the hell was going on

676
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:06,640
so it it boiled down to um

677
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:08,240
these people wanting to share the

678
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:09,600
experience and knowing that it's

679
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:11,760
authentic and that's the key word

680
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:13,279
they knew that this was authentic it

681
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:14,640
wasn't somebody pulling the wool over

682
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:15,919
their eyes

683
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:17,600
or different kinds of experiences like

684
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:19,520
sleep deprivation

685
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:22,720
or or whatever you want to call it it's

686
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:24,640
nothing to do with that it's to do with

687
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:26,240
real experiences and the more you talk

688
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,880
to people

689
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:28,720
about it who have had them the more you

690
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:29,919
become convinced

691
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:32,480
that in my estimation contact has

692
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:33,440
already been made

693
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:35,840
i know that's a pretty facile way to put

694
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:38,000
it in one sense but that's the reality

695
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:39,520
we have been contacted and these

696
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,080
experiencers have chosen to be the

697
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:44,240
conduits through which this contact is

698
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:45,279
happening right now

699
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:47,200
now that's a pretty big pill to swallow

700
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,400
for a lot of people

701
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:50,400
in ufology i mean they don't really want

702
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:52,480
to admit that contact has been made

703
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,799
and even if we go into the media and if

704
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,480
we profess the idea that well

705
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:59,039
you know what folks there's a really

706
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,159
interesting phenomenon

707
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:02,320
going on these these extraterrestrial

708
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:03,919
beings are taking our people and talking

709
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,559
to them and

710
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,400
and giving them information how about

711
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:08,240
you cover that instead of uh

712
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:11,440
dancing with the stars right you know

713
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:12,240
what i'm saying

714
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,679
i do oh let me just uh okay finish up

715
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:17,279
victor please but i do want to jump in

716
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:19,120
with a quick question sure

717
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,159
uh yeah just uh uh you know where we're

718
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:24,640
making some headway as far as the

719
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:27,600
nuts and bolts ufo kind of cases where

720
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:29,760
yeah we've got radar tracks so we've got

721
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:31,520
uh good military witnesses coming

722
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,159
forward

723
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,080
uh talking about these extraordinary

724
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:36,480
cases uh is it a good idea

725
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:39,200
at all to really be uh even talking

726
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:40,720
about this sort of thing at

727
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:42,880
this particular point in time i mean uh

728
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:43,760
how do you uh

729
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:45,200
you know do you connect the two do you

730
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:46,640
pretend it's not happening what do you

731
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:49,039
think is the best course of action

732
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:50,960
uh yeah let me just get the distinction

733
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:52,320
you're trying to make you you're asking

734
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:53,440
me what again

735
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:55,919
uh well yeah yeah i mean uh between the

736
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:58,400
uh the experiencer cases uh which are

737
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,039
quite extraordinary and as compared with

738
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:02,880
uh the easier to grasp

739
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,600
sort of nuts and bolts uh radar uh

740
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:07,520
military pilot sightings that type of

741
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:08,080
thing

742
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:10,320
yeah how does that melt together yeah

743
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:11,120
well

744
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,960
the more it's really a great question

745
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,559
that the more you get to know this

746
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:16,720
this this topic the more you get to

747
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,640
realize that the kinds of information

748
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:20,960
that are coming to us

749
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,400
or coming through to us are so um

750
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:26,640
complex and we're getting information

751
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:29,600
from sources we've never gotten before

752
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:31,360
and people have to understand that

753
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:33,360
regular science says no that can't be

754
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:33,919
the case

755
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:35,919
we cannot be communicating with beings

756
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:37,600
that are beyond our own psychic

757
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:38,240
abilities

758
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,880
that's just not happening and and the

759
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:42,720
validation of that fact through the

760
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,760
experiencers

761
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:45,760
is becoming stronger and stronger and

762
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:48,400
stronger and what's happening is these

763
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:51,440
so-called craft whatever these craft are

764
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:54,159
are being seen either doing these kinds

765
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:55,120
of things

766
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:57,919
or injecting situations like the missile

767
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:59,679
shutdowns for example it's all the same

768
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:00,799
thing

769
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:03,360
whatever happens with these these beings

770
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:04,799
and our nuclear arms and

771
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:08,080
our people it's synchronous they have

772
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:11,279
strong powers to eliminate nuclear

773
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,480
weapons to put them down in a no-go

774
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:16,640
situation they've shown that multiple

775
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:17,679
numbers of time

776
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:19,840
why they're doing it who the heck knows

777
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:21,679
but the fact that matters they

778
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:23,679
have control over that stuff or they've

779
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:25,360
shown that they can control it

780
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,640
now the other side of that coin is that

781
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:30,720
some of these beings whoever the heck

782
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:32,720
they are they are also interacting with

783
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:33,440
our people

784
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:36,640
and that's news to a lot of people or

785
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:38,559
they they find it very difficult to

786
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:39,679
accept that fact

787
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:42,559
they are actually engaging people here

788
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:43,840
on the planet

789
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:46,799
and to mesh those two things together is

790
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:48,880
very difficult

791
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,960
and the abduction phenomenon has kind of

792
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:52,320
risen to the forefront

793
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:56,159
as being the way these craft of unknown

794
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:58,159
origin are being manifested in physical

795
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:58,640
terms

796
00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:00,640
and these people are talking about it so

797
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:02,080
there's a there's a good

798
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:04,159
connect there now people don't really

799
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:06,159
want to do that right now

800
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:08,320
uh and i can understand why not i can

801
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:09,600
understand why people don't want to mesh

802
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:10,320
those too

803
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:12,080
the people who are in charge of the

804
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,440
collection of data nope

805
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:15,360
not so not so important to us right now

806
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:16,640
we have to control

807
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:19,840
the message we have to make it

808
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:21,440
yeah we have to make it common to

809
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,039
everyone and the best way to do it right

810
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:24,960
now is just accept the presence of these

811
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,600
craft

812
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:27,120
and they're not from here once we can

813
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:29,360
get that issue by the general public

814
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:31,840
and get them to understand that then we

815
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,600
move on to the more esoteric

816
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:35,840
and very more difficult to understand so

817
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:37,919
let's put them in perspective but

818
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:40,640
we've got to put first priorities first

819
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,279
and

820
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:43,600
an explanation as to a the to end

821
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:44,320
secrecy

822
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:45,760
and tell us that we're being engaged by

823
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,350
thank you very very great explanation

824
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:55,440
thank you for that wanted to just

825
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:58,559
familiarize our listeners with john

826
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:01,600
mack i know they know who he is but

827
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:02,640
still just want to

828
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,880
go ahead and go over a few uh important

829
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:06,240
things regarding him

830
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:08,240
and that is he was born in october of

831
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:09,600
1929

832
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,960
and he uh passed away in 2004 and was an

833
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:14,399
american psychiatrist writer and

834
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:15,840
professor and the head of the department

835
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,080
of psychiatry at harvard medical school

836
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:20,640
in 77 mack won the pulitzer prize for

837
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:22,399
his book a prince of our disorder

838
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:25,520
on t e lawrence and he also wrote other

839
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:26,080
material

840
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:29,039
as well um and i wanted to mention

841
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:30,799
regarding abductees by the way and

842
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:33,840
a few other topics i believe but uh

843
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:37,200
i wanted to uh quote him he

844
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:40,480
did an interview with nova

845
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,799
which is connected with pbs the

846
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:44,159
organization

847
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,279
nova asked him let's talk about your own

848
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:51,200
personal evolution from perhaps

849
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:54,640
skepticism to belief his response

850
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:57,039
when i first encountered this phenomenon

851
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:58,240
or particularly

852
00:30:01,669 --> 00:30:00,159
even before i had actually seen the

853
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:01,679
people themselves

854
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:03,679
i had very little place in my mind to

855
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,120
take this seriously

856
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:07,360
i like most of us were raised to believe

857
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:09,039
that if we were going to discover

858
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:11,679
other intelligence we'd do it radio

859
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,880
waves or some

860
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:14,799
or through signals or something of that

861
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:15,919
kind the

862
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:18,399
idea that we could be reached by some

863
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,279
other kind of

864
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:22,080
being creature intelligence that could

865
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:22,640
actually

866
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:25,039
enter our world and have physical

867
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:27,039
effects as well as emotional effects

868
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:29,600
was simply not part of the world view

869
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:31,360
that i had been raised in

870
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:34,240
so that i came very reluctantly to the

871
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,360
conclusion

872
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:37,679
that this was a true mystery in other

873
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:38,480
words

874
00:30:42,389 --> 00:30:41,760
that i i did everything i could to rule

875
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:42,399
out other

876
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:45,520
sources or sexual abuse some people

877
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:48,960
are abused but they're able to tell

878
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:51,120
distinguish clearly the abduction trauma

879
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:53,200
from other arms of abuse

880
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:55,279
some forms of psychosis or people making

881
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:56,399
up stories

882
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:58,399
i could reject on that basis that there

883
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,840
was no gain in this for the vast

884
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:01,679
majority of these people now but i have

885
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:02,640
a question that

886
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,200
maybe not be tough for you but would be

887
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:07,360
for other people and that is

888
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:09,840
too often because i talk to folks who

889
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,480
are

890
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,640
they they actually align themselves with

891
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:14,960
the categories of abductees experiencers

892
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:17,440
contactees or witnesses all the time

893
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:20,960
and i talked to them frequently and

894
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:24,320
allah complained to me and rightfully so

895
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:27,039
because they have bipolar disorder or

896
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:28,000
depression

897
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:32,000
mental

898
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:35,519
related disorder that

899
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:38,559
they cannot actually talk in confidence

900
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:39,840
to their counselor

901
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:42,720
or psychiatrist or psychologist and be

902
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:43,600
considered

903
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:46,480
seriously due to these disorders that

904
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:49,360
they have already been diagnosed with

905
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:52,080
my personal belief is it doesn't matter

906
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:53,679
what kind of disorder

907
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,600
somebody has or has not been diagnosed

908
00:32:03,909 --> 00:31:57,840
with it's important to listen to them

909
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:07,269
oh victor victor's uh

910
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:10,320
victor's uh mike go ahead there you go

911
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:12,320
sorry he dropped for a second he's back

912
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:21,110
we thought you got abducted yeah right

913
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,440
it was a quick one right uh in any case

914
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:26,000
um yeah

915
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:27,919
the idea of mental stability in all of

916
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:29,840
this is a severe question especially if

917
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,960
you're looking at it from a scientific

918
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:32,159
point of view

919
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:33,919
if you're not looking at it necessarily

920
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,840
from a scientific point of view

921
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,440
you you have to take the perspective of

922
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:39,360
this is going on beyond

923
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:42,480
the realm of reality and as john matt

924
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:43,360
calls it

925
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:44,960
in that section that you that you read

926
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:46,720
it it eventually alludes to the fact

927
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:48,080
that he calls it

928
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:51,200
a contact with the subtle realm and that

929
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:53,279
whole idea of the settled realm

930
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:56,399
is based on the idea that these

931
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:58,960
beings of non-corporeal as far as we're

932
00:33:03,029 --> 00:32:59,519
concerned

933
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:03,039
existence uh or they exist in a non-uh

934
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:06,000
corporeal world are able to intrude upon

935
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:06,720
our

936
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:10,080
physical world and how they do that and

937
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:11,120
how they become

938
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:14,559
manifest to it is is

939
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:17,279
is the juxtaposition of everything that

940
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:18,640
you need to know between

941
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:21,679
psychosis and something that's actually

942
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:22,480
happened

943
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,399
now you can say that people who have the

944
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:26,640
psychosis have it but people who are

945
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:29,360
completely a sound mind and sound body

946
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:29,840
are having

947
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:32,799
exactly the same experiences so that's a

948
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:33,440
great

949
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:34,880
yeah let me uh let me jump in here

950
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:37,919
really quick and run this by you uh you

951
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:38,320
know

952
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:41,600
we're seeing so much these days uh it

953
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:44,559
used uh for fun now largely uh used as a

954
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:46,880
a bit of a toy is a part of gaming and

955
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:48,080
that type of thing

956
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,440
but our own technology is uh really

957
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:53,440
jumping into the world of virtual

958
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:54,480
reality

959
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:57,440
and is a lot of these experiences is it

960
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:59,120
really that much different

961
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:00,720
than what we're seeing with our own

962
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:06,549
i'm not sure where you're going with

963
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,119
that question

964
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:11,839
yeah well i i mean uh but basically

965
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:12,720
basically what i'm

966
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:14,960
what i'm suggesting is that uh do we

967
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,399
know that a lot of this

968
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:18,399
uh a lot of these interactions are in

969
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:20,879
fact the kind of advanced technology

970
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:21,839
that we're seeing

971
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:24,399
uh in the skies applied to these

972
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:25,440
interactions that

973
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:27,599
what the the folks are experiencing is

974
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:30,960
uh basically a technological experience

975
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:33,599
ah gotcha that's that's exactly right

976
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,240
that's that's

977
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:36,240
it's a technology that's so far beyond

978
00:34:41,389 --> 00:34:37,599
our understanding

979
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:41,399
that it becomes um uh

980
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:43,919
unrecognizable to the to the ordinary

981
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:44,560
person

982
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,079
that cannot possibly be and we've been

983
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:51,040
uh inbred notion in all of us throughout

984
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:52,800
the centuries that we are the top of the

985
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:53,839
cosmic heap

986
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:57,440
and we're not we have you know

987
00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:00,079
severe problems and we have difficulties

988
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:02,000
in maintaining our own bodies and this

989
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,280
but there are civilizations out there um

990
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:07,359
who have not made them the same mistakes

991
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:08,320
as we are

992
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:10,480
okay are destroying our environment for

993
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,800
example they are way past that

994
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,560
we i consider things like that

995
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,079
destroying the environment and

996
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,720
and and bad governance and all the their

997
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:20,400
extinction behavior

998
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:24,240
okay and it's it's

999
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:25,839
we're teaching our people to become

1000
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:27,680
extinct is what we're doing

1001
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:30,240
okay whether we realize that or not by

1002
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:31,520
you know polluting our water

1003
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:34,000
polluting our air and messing with our

1004
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,720
governance

1005
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,320
and creating situations where people

1006
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,720
just don't trust anything anymore

1007
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:40,560
you're in a position of really really

1008
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:42,240
having to look at what direction are we

1009
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:44,079
headed as a society

1010
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:46,000
well you're you're tough on humans there

1011
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:47,200
victor they may have

1012
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:48,720
gone through the same growing pains that

1013
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,880
we're going through well

1014
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:53,040
actually it's my story about that i'm a

1015
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:54,079
former teacher

1016
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,800
i taught school for uh i was involved in

1017
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:58,720
education for 35 years

1018
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:01,040
and you get to know when you're standing

1019
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:02,560
in front of a group of children

1020
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:04,640
30 of them every single day from you

1021
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:06,160
know september to june

1022
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,720
you get to know people pretty well and

1023
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:10,480
you get to know what motivates learners

1024
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:12,000
to find out things that they either

1025
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:15,359
don't know about can't accept or

1026
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:18,160
just need reinforcement about how do you

1027
00:36:21,390 --> 00:36:19,680
get people to understand

1028
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:21,400
that there are things beyond their own

1029
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,839
eyes that need to be

1030
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:26,079
addressed as well as the concrete world

1031
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,200
and once you get past

1032
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:29,520
that then you can talk about the

1033
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:31,200
dialogue then you can get into that

1034
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:33,359
until you get there it's tough to really

1035
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:34,720
make people understand

1036
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:37,760
the how can i put the

1037
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:40,160
awesome the awesome belief system or

1038
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:41,440
change in belief system

1039
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:43,200
that you have to get to in order to

1040
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,560
accept that fact

1041
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,240
and you have to completely do a 180 in

1042
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:48,000
your whole life and it's that not easy

1043
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:48,800
things for

1044
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,720
especially for people in high places in

1045
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:52,640
the media so on and so forth

1046
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,520
and government you can understand why

1047
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,359
it's such a big reach for them so

1048
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:59,119
i don't really see that as a problem

1049
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:00,880
it's just that we're just not there yet

1050
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:02,320
in terms of understanding this as a

1051
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,599
species

1052
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:05,200
i wanted to bring up something

1053
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:07,119
interesting with you

1054
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:10,240
and that is uh regarding the uh narcap

1055
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:12,800
founder dr richard haynes uh also a

1056
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:13,760
former nasa

1057
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,800
scientist and uh

1058
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:18,880
this is an excerpt from an interview

1059
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:19,920
that he did

1060
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:21,920
he states i like and i know you know who

1061
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:23,680
this is dr leo sprinkle

1062
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:26,000
he says i like leo sprinkle's idea of

1063
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:28,240
initiation is cosmic consciousness

1064
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:29,119
conditioning

1065
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:31,119
it's a one-way change that seems to be

1066
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:33,200
going on i have interviewed a lot of

1067
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:35,119
people who claim to be abducted

1068
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:36,960
and in those cases the rubric of

1069
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:39,200
recruitment is much more valid

1070
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,560
there's something else going on that

1071
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:42,960
these people did not ask for mostly

1072
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,920
in ce5 it's people who voluntarily go

1073
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:47,760
out and try to establish communication

1074
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:50,320
in themselves and bring the phenomenon

1075
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:51,760
under their control

1076
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:54,320
in these 200 cases they claim a reply or

1077
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,839
closing of the loop which i interpret as

1078
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:57,520
a sign of intelligence

1079
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:59,200
the case is quite strong for an

1080
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:00,800
intelligence of some form

1081
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,599
a programmed robot or actual localized

1082
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:05,359
intelligence the evidence speaks for

1083
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:06,160
itself

1084
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:14,550
i think you just need to

1085
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:18,079
there you go go ahead

1086
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:20,240
i'm i'm so intense on listening to you

1087
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:21,200
to

1088
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,640
understanding of where your information

1089
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:30,800
comes from

1090
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:33,599
and when you think about it information

1091
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:34,079
flow

1092
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,359
is very significant in that um how you

1093
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:39,200
how you put that information in front of

1094
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,280
people is so is so critical

1095
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:43,200
so where do we get most of our

1096
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:46,560
information from the media and

1097
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:48,880
once we allow the media to tell the

1098
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:50,079
story that they're telling we're

1099
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:51,440
completely distracted

1100
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,960
by what's going on and that level of

1101
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:56,000
distraction

1102
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:59,440
is so important in in in lessening that

1103
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:01,280
kind of distractions going on

1104
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:03,359
and focus people on what the real issues

1105
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,400
are what in fact

1106
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:06,480
are the real issues of our of our our

1107
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:08,480
existence and once you inject the sort

1108
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:08,880
of

1109
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:12,000
uh you know absolutely uh

1110
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:13,680
crazy notion that we're being contacted

1111
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:16,240
by off-world civilizations

1112
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:18,320
it's it is so difficult to change the

1113
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:19,760
mindset especially in the current

1114
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:20,720
context of

1115
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:23,200
of our problem system uh with regard to

1116
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:24,240
politics i mean

1117
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:25,839
there's no there's no dialogue about

1118
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:28,160
this kind of understanding

1119
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,680
so i think it's important that we if we

1120
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:31,920
don't create the dialogue

1121
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:34,640
or the conditions around that dialogue

1122
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:35,040
uh

1123
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:36,880
we're just going to be going around in

1124
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:39,440
circles and and extincting ourselves

1125
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:40,560
right that's exactly what you know

1126
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:42,160
frankly were talking about we will

1127
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:43,359
extinct ourselves

1128
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:46,800
so just uh jump in really quick victor

1129
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:49,359
uh you made a very interesting point

1130
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:50,000
about uh

1131
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:51,920
expanding that dialogue and largely

1132
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:53,920
through the media uh

1133
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,760
it's been three years now since that new

1134
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:57,280
york times story came out and

1135
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:00,160
really changed a lot of things yet uh

1136
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,800
there's not this uh enormous groundswell

1137
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:05,280
of interest i mean it's gone up for sure

1138
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:06,720
there's no doubt about it these are good

1139
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:08,720
times if you're in the ufo field

1140
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,760
but by and large uh

1141
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:13,440
i got to say it i i think uh the

1142
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:16,480
majority of people just don't care

1143
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:19,040
and firstly do you agree with that or

1144
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:20,079
not and if you do

1145
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:21,680
does it really matter just so long as

1146
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:23,200
enough people care

1147
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:25,920
uh that's a great and people ask me that

1148
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:27,520
all the time and i think it's an

1149
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:30,800
um it it really is

1150
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:33,200
uh it's a benchmark what happened there

1151
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:34,480
was a benchmark

1152
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:37,760
and it got the dialogue going now

1153
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:40,800
you say people just don't care uh

1154
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,640
you're right the general majority of

1155
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:44,160
people like we go back to the you know

1156
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:45,920
topic i just talked about earlier

1157
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:48,079
they're mesmerized by other things you

1158
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:49,200
know

1159
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:50,640
if your limit of understanding is the

1160
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:52,079
young and restless and dancing with the

1161
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:54,079
star you've got problems

1162
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:55,920
so i think once you get past those

1163
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:57,359
realities and get them down

1164
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:00,480
to the really good point of information

1165
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:02,319
where you get it from what that

1166
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:03,760
information actually is

1167
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:06,160
then you can start speaking to them and

1168
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:07,839
it's it's difficult to convince

1169
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:11,520
that many people and the i don't care

1170
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:14,160
can only be replaced with what i call

1171
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:15,599
the slap in the face

1172
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:18,480
the big whack what's the big one hunk of

1173
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:19,440
information

1174
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:21,359
that you people need to know that's

1175
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,839
going to say holy smoke you're right

1176
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,680
what just tell me what piece of

1177
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:27,520
information you want

1178
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,720
and we'll give it to you now in the

1179
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:32,319
giving there is taking so they've got to

1180
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:33,200
understand it

1181
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,640
and that's we're all about trying to

1182
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:37,200
make people understand the distinctions

1183
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,119
yeah i wanted to bring up the nord topic

1184
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:41,040
again just for a moment before we move

1185
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:42,319
on to the next topic

1186
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:44,319
and that is dr richard haynes in this

1187
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,079
interview

1188
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:49,119
indicates he said now please understand

1189
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:50,880
i'm cutting right into conversation he's

1190
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:52,160
having with somebody here

1191
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,359
so if it sounds um like that

1192
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:57,599
it's because it is so here here it goes

1193
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:59,599
now from the nuts and bolts point of

1194
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:01,200
view that we discussed

1195
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,760
i would have to agree that norad would

1196
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:06,000
have everything under surveillance

1197
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:08,800
from my knowledge of radar and so forth

1198
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,720
but from the second point of view i

1199
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,240
don't have to agree with it

1200
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,319
there might be a component slipping in

1201
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:16,640
wavelengths that norad has not even

1202
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:18,079
thought of yet

1203
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:20,560
standing ground waves long wavelengths

1204
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:21,520
etc

1205
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,640
they don't measure those norad really

1206
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:26,640
has a very narrow spectrum that they

1207
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:27,280
monitor

1208
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:29,440
and has to do with infrared because of

1209
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:30,960
ballistic missiles

1210
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:32,960
metal reflecting surfaces which is how

1211
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:35,760
we make missiles awfully anthropomorphic

1212
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:38,079
i hope norad is monitoring all those

1213
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:39,119
things in space

1214
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,640
but there could be all kinds of

1215
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:42,400
wavelengths in the electromagnetic

1216
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:44,079
spectrum that are completely ignored

1217
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:47,760
overlooked forgotten i mean isn't that

1218
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:48,640
amazing that

1219
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:51,200
there's so many different kinds of

1220
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:52,480
things that could be happening

1221
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,599
right in front of darpa norad every

1222
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:57,440
country on the planet regarding every

1223
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,160
technology

1224
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:00,480
that they utilize and they're missing

1225
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:02,000
those different spectrums

1226
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:05,440
yeah possibilities it's it's really a

1227
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:06,800
great way to frame how and

1228
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:09,040
once again how information gets to

1229
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:10,240
people

1230
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:14,560
just doing things to monitor stuff in

1231
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:17,520
in airspace uh they're they're looking

1232
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:17,760
in

1233
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:21,359
know and that's why they have a problem

1234
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:23,200
if they understood these electromagnetic

1235
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:24,839
influences a little bit more

1236
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:27,760
finely they would see that this stuff

1237
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:28,560
perpetrates

1238
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:31,760
everything underground and in our waters

1239
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,280
and that's an important thing that we

1240
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:35,680
need to understand some of this stuff

1241
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:37,040
some of the communication of the

1242
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:38,640
vibrations or the electromagnetic

1243
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,359
spectrum

1244
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:41,520
is being influenced within the ground

1245
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:42,800
there's just no doubt about it

1246
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:45,760
and in the water and that's testified to

1247
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,800
by

1248
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:48,560
the idea that some of these craft can

1249
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:51,599
actually function in water

1250
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:53,839
it's the prime way of moving and that

1251
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,160
was born out quite well

1252
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:58,240
in the shag harbor incident here up here

1253
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:59,920
in canada as well as one of the

1254
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:00,800
incidents uh

1255
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:03,520
uh that happened with respect to the the

1256
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,960
f-16s that found these things off

1257
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:06,720
catalina island

1258
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:09,839
underwater foam movement of craft under

1259
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:12,720
water breaking the water that kind of

1260
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:13,440
thing

1261
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,480
so when you get right down to it the the

1262
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:18,240
the idea that they're here is so

1263
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:18,960
pervasive

1264
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:21,119
it's in our air space and in our in our

1265
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:22,640
earth and our water

1266
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,280
and that's uh a phenomenal understanding

1267
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,880
that most people don't really want to

1268
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:28,079
grabble on to

1269
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:31,119
at this point great and before we move

1270
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:32,880
on to that i do want to let folks know

1271
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:34,560
about a wonderful book

1272
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:38,000
that uh john mack did write it's called

1273
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:40,079
abduction human encounters with aliens

1274
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:41,520
that i know that

1275
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:43,280
our wonderful friend here victor has

1276
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:45,280
probably read multiple times

1277
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:49,040
and has a copy an over overly worn copy

1278
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,079
in his bookshelf now moving along here

1279
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:54,560
uh wanted to go ahead and touch on the

1280
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:56,720
incredible life of paul

1281
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,200
hellyer and i wanted to just let our

1282
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:01,680
folks know a little bit about him

1283
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,000
actually you know the expert on paul

1284
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:06,240
hillier is victor so why don't you let

1285
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:09,599
us know about him please thank you

1286
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:11,520
well first of all thank you thank you

1287
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:12,880
for asking that

1288
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:15,200
um yes the the story behind my

1289
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:17,119
relationship with paul

1290
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:21,040
goes back to 2005 and uh

1291
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:23,200
at that time a colleague and i were

1292
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:24,400
planning to

1293
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:27,119
do a symposium up here in toronto and

1294
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,040
that symposium was going to be

1295
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:31,920
speakers and you know slideshows so on

1296
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:34,160
and so forth

1297
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:36,800
at the time i was doing a radio program

1298
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:39,119
called strange days indeed in toronto

1299
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:41,920
and um i was finished one evening at the

1300
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,760
interviews after we finished

1301
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,599
and i got a call in the um in the

1302
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:47,200
control room

1303
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:48,400
victor there's a guy who wants to talk

1304
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:50,000
to you i said well i'm tired it's 2

1305
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:51,280
o'clock in the morning

1306
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:54,240
but i took the call and the the person

1307
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:55,680
at the other end of the line identified

1308
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:57,040
himself very clearly

1309
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:59,200
and indicated and he said to me you have

1310
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,040
to talk to paul hellyer

1311
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:04,079
and at the time i mean i i i knew had

1312
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:06,160
i'd known that helya was a very official

1313
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:07,440
kind of person in the canadian

1314
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:08,000
government

1315
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:11,200
but that's all i knew i had no idea that

1316
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:13,760
he might be interested in this topic

1317
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:15,920
so i said okay fine thank you uh give me

1318
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:17,599
the contact information i'll try my best

1319
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:18,640
and at the time we're

1320
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:20,960
doing the symposium i'm trying to

1321
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:22,640
contact mr hellyer

1322
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:24,880
and i eventually um contact him and say

1323
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,720
you know paul my name is victor virgin

1324
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:28,560
he was given your name by sergeant

1325
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:31,280
such and i just need to ask you you've

1326
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,800
just finished reading the the book the

1327
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:34,160
day after roswell

1328
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:35,920
and that you want to talk about it well

1329
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:37,839
we just happen to be doing a symposium

1330
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:38,800
on that

1331
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:43,599
would you like to be our keynote speaker

1332
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:46,480
and he him hard um he said call me back

1333
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:48,000
in a few days i have to kind of work on

1334
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:49,040
this

1335
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,440
him back

1336
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:55,680
about a week later and he said yes i

1337
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:56,560
consent to

1338
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:58,000
coming forward and being the keynote

1339
00:47:00,950 --> 00:47:00,240
speaker at an address at university of

1340
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:00,960
toronto

1341
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:04,720
convocation hall in 2005. and he just

1342
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:06,319
blew the doors off the whole place this

1343
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:09,599
is this a huge monumental

1344
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:13,200
building 550 people and press all over

1345
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,839
the place

1346
00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:15,520
and he shook the world with his

1347
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:18,359
announcement that uh

1348
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:21,119
airplanes rather ufos are as real as the

1349
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:22,559
airplanes that fly over your head

1350
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:24,880
and that was his big statement and from

1351
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:26,720
there he's gotten himself and he's blame

1352
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:27,440
he blames for

1353
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:29,200
he blames me for this all the time he's

1354
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,040
got himself into a lot of

1355
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:33,359
situations where victor what did you get

1356
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:34,720
me into you know

1357
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,800
he told actually he told his wife at the

1358
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:38,400
time that this was just going to be a

1359
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:39,920
one-off thing just the the

1360
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,720
one lecture and that was it and uh that

1361
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:44,640
just turned out not to be true

1362
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:48,400
now some interesting anecdotal

1363
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:58,150
uh chant you're breaking up

1364
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,160
yeah let me let me jump in real quick

1365
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:02,400
until uh the sound improves but

1366
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:04,400
uh just to give a little background on

1367
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:05,920
paul hell you're a chant you're breaking

1368
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:07,520
up a little bit so let uh let me keep

1369
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:08,960
going a little bit so i can fill in some

1370
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:09,760
space

1371
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:12,480
uh uh basically uh paul hellyer is sort

1372
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:12,800
of

1373
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:16,640
defense for the united states he was the

1374
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:18,559
minister of defense for canada

1375
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,839
in the 60s and also i had another uh

1376
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:23,760
i guess would be analogous to the an

1377
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:25,119
american cabinet post

1378
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:27,520
uh the secretary of uh transportation or

1379
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:29,520
minister of transportation up there

1380
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,920
so uh just to give the folks an idea uh

1381
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:34,079
that's a pretty big deal obviously if

1382
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:36,160
we had here in the states a former uh

1383
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:37,119
secretary of

1384
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:39,520
defense coming forward and uh revealing

1385
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,880
that kind of information

1386
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,880
it would create some huge news here in

1387
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:43,920
the states and

1388
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:46,000
when paul did come forward it created

1389
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:47,920
quite a buzz here in the states as well

1390
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:49,440
so uh victor you sound like you're

1391
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:50,720
coming in okay so

1392
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:52,559
yeah you want to uh want to keep going

1393
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:53,839
from there

1394
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,200
yeah well actually uh what happened was

1395
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:59,520
after he came forward and did what he

1396
00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:00,240
did

1397
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:02,559
um you know we i want to i want to

1398
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,480
continue the dialogue about that

1399
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:06,960
now people should understand that paul

1400
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:08,800
also served as a deputy prime minister

1401
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,640
of canada under pierre tudo

1402
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,960
which is like a vice president um kind

1403
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:14,160
of position which is okay

1404
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:21,430
as it turns out um the way paul decided

1405
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:23,040
to play these cards

1406
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,800
in terms of my goodness why are you come

1407
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:26,400
for coming forward and why now

1408
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:29,440
what's going on and he makes the

1409
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:30,000
statement

1410
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:33,280
that uh if we do not unveil this

1411
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:36,480
veil of secrecy that's going on and and

1412
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,720
looking at the economic situation

1413
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:40,240
as to how it's also playing out because

1414
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:43,599
he's also a economic expert

1415
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,480
and he sees these issues as intertwined

1416
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,319
and that the global politics and the

1417
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:50,400
global economic situation are

1418
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:52,960
are very very closely linked especially

1419
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:54,800
in terms of fossil fuels

1420
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:56,480
and the control over fossil fuels and

1421
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,319
all of that affecting our economy

1422
00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:00,559
and what's the thing that needs to be

1423
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:01,760
understand

1424
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,230
victor will come back on in a moment

1425
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:14,160
there we go

1426
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:15,839
you just said the thing we need to

1427
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:17,440
understand about a civilization that

1428
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:18,960
part we didn't hear

1429
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:21,200
okay yet the thing we need to understand

1430
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:22,079
about us

1431
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,359
as a civilization that we're burning

1432
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:25,599
fossil fuels and it is

1433
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:27,920
eliminating us and not just us but all

1434
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:28,720
forms of

1435
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,400
other kinds of life both in flora and

1436
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:32,880
fauna so once we get to a point where we

1437
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:34,079
can eliminate

1438
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,800
uh fossil fuels and take on these new

1439
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:37,920
energy systems that

1440
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:41,280
are in fact in play we can we can change

1441
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:42,240
the genre

1442
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:45,760
of the uh uh of the of the i guess the

1443
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:48,480
the agenda of the planet not relying on

1444
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:49,440
fossil fuels

1445
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:52,160
and paul kept on harping at that and and

1446
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:54,319
the idea behind us understanding

1447
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:56,000
that we have to get to an economic

1448
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,920
system where we can afford other kinds

1449
00:51:01,349 --> 00:50:59,359
of propulsion systems

1450
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:01,359
other kinds of energy and that's where

1451
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:02,640
he was headed with

1452
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:04,960
uh most of his thinking that is

1453
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:05,760
interesting

1454
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,359
and i just wanted to mention that

1455
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:09,359
anecdotal story about

1456
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:11,839
helya which is actually uh you know the

1457
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:13,520
word anecdotal might sound

1458
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:15,520
uh like it trivializes what he did but

1459
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:16,559
it certainly is not

1460
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,760
trivial in june of 67 hellyer flew in by

1461
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:21,680
helicopter to officially inaugurate an

1462
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:22,720
unidentified

1463
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:25,200
flying object landing pad in saint paul

1464
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:26,160
alberta

1465
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:28,960
the town had built it uh as its canadian

1466
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:31,119
centennial celebration project

1467
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:33,839
and is assembled keeping space free from

1468
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,960
human warfare

1469
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:37,200
the sign beside the pad reads the area

1470
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:39,680
under the world's first ufo landing pad

1471
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:42,000
was designated international by the town

1472
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:43,359
of saint paul as a

1473
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:45,200
symbol of our faith that mankind will

1474
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:47,119
maintain the outer universe free from

1475
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:48,720
national wars and strife

1476
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:51,280
the future future travel and space will

1477
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:53,839
be safe for all intergalactic beings

1478
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:56,000
all visitors from earth or otherwise are

1479
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:57,760
welcome to this territory and to the

1480
00:52:01,990 --> 00:51:59,040
town of saint paul

1481
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:02,000
moving on in september of 05 hellyer

1482
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:04,079
made headlines by publicly announcing as

1483
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,280
we already discussed

1484
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:07,920
he believed in the existence of ufos now

1485
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,160
uh it looks like hellyer

1486
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:12,640
has really been working for a very long

1487
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:13,440
time

1488
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:17,200
to prize the planet uh of the ufo uh

1489
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:18,880
phenomenon

1490
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:23,119
and e.t topic uh you know i just want to

1491
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:23,520
know

1492
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,200
let me put it this way if i had him in

1493
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,280
front of me i would ask him why did he

1494
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:29,520
have the wherewithal to even bother

1495
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:31,920
because it's a very difficult thing you

1496
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:34,079
know it's a difficult platform to take

1497
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:35,520
up and talk

1498
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:38,240
to folks about so why did he bother

1499
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,880
doing it

1500
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:40,559
is he that passionate about it what

1501
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:42,000
happened

1502
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,200
well the idea behind the passion

1503
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:48,000
essentially comes from the fact that uh

1504
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:49,440
he

1505
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,160
was elected uh as a liberal in

1506
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,480
in the uh he's actually one of the the

1507
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:02,160
youngest liberals ever elected

1508
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:05,280
uh to the uh to the house of commons and

1509
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:06,000
from there

1510
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:09,280
um he began to show his elbows

1511
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:11,920
or how sharp they were and he um he

1512
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:14,319
irritated a lot of people

1513
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:16,480
to the point where sometimes uh people

1514
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:18,000
thought well maybe your idea is a little

1515
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:19,920
bit too far this way or that way

1516
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:21,839
and he said well okay fine i'll i will

1517
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:24,000
become a conservative then

1518
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:27,440
so he flipped he flipped okay and he did

1519
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:29,359
that several times in his career

1520
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:30,800
to the point where he eventually he

1521
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:32,800
started the uh that was

1522
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:35,839
the what was the name the canadian

1523
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:38,079
the canadian action party okay he

1524
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:39,040
created that

1525
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:40,400
and they attempted to get seats in

1526
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:41,920
parliament and they were unsuccessful

1527
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:42,319
they could

1528
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:45,920
has been compelled

1529
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:48,480
all of his life to challenge the system

1530
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:49,280
and uh

1531
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:52,160
in answer to your question chad it was

1532
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:53,599
his duty he felt

1533
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:56,480
compelled to do this because um the

1534
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,200
system just

1535
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,760
is was wrought into the core and he was

1536
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:01,359
just he could not abide by that

1537
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:04,400
that's what motivated him understood

1538
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:06,960
now i wanted to move on to another topic

1539
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:08,640
which is something that you spent quite

1540
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:10,319
a bit of time um

1541
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:14,160
going over and uh so i'll just go ahead

1542
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:16,480
and i'm on zlan communications news

1543
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:18,079
network i just want to let our

1544
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:19,440
listeners know and i will at the end of

1545
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:21,760
the show also know let them know where

1546
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:22,880
this website is

1547
00:54:28,990 --> 00:54:25,520
that victor has created and he's head of

1548
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:30,470
zlandcommunications.blogspot.com

1549
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:34,079
and on november 19th the of this year

1550
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:35,680
there's an interesting article that you

1551
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:37,599
have it says u.s select

1552
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:40,000
senate intelligence committee directs

1553
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:41,920
department of national intelligence to

1554
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:43,040
report on an

1555
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:45,119
unidentified aerial phenomenon also

1556
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:46,480
known as uaps

1557
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:49,200
senator marco rubio's reference to uap

1558
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:49,760
catches

1559
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:52,240
observers off guard can you go ahead and

1560
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:53,839
fill our listeners in on

1561
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:56,240
what you discussed in that topic there

1562
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:57,839
victor

1563
00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:01,040
yeah that's that's a biggie um we talked

1564
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:02,240
earlier in the evening

1565
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:05,440
about the december 17th

1566
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:09,760
rather yeah december 17th 2017

1567
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:11,599
announcement by the new york times with

1568
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:14,799
leslie kane and blumenthal

1569
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:16,480
you we we talked about that as being

1570
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:17,920
sort of a benchmark

1571
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:20,960
okay in terms of what really uh

1572
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:23,440
kick-started this thing it has evolved

1573
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:24,640
so quickly

1574
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:27,839
i cannot tell you uh uh how it's

1575
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:29,680
unanimous in the in the ufo research

1576
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:30,319
community

1577
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:32,400
how think fast things have come along

1578
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:34,640
it's been light speed

1579
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:37,520
and that's important because these these

1580
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:39,680
movements towards the politicization of

1581
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:40,319
this whole

1582
00:55:46,789 --> 00:55:43,680
idea has not as is unheard of

1583
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:46,799
to the point now we are having the u.s

1584
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:48,000
navy admit these things

1585
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:50,319
are real their officials have admitted

1586
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:51,119
it

1587
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:52,319
and there's just no doubt that these

1588
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:55,599
things are in fact real nothing we have

1589
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:57,760
could climb from 50 feet over the water

1590
00:56:02,390 --> 00:55:59,680
to 85 000 feet

1591
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:02,400
above the water in less than one second

1592
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:04,400
that is astounding information and the

1593
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:06,880
and the navy has had the the courage to

1594
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:07,760
admit that

1595
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:09,599
and then from there there are several um

1596
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:11,520
uh political representatives

1597
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:15,200
and marco rubio um uh he is one of them

1598
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:17,520
and rubio is fundamentally important

1599
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:18,640
because he has come

1600
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:21,520
forward and admitted his interest in

1601
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,319
this issue

1602
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:24,000
in an interview with one of the cbs

1603
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:26,160
stations he says these are things he

1604
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:27,760
didn't call them ufos or aliens he

1605
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:29,119
didn't use that word

1606
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:31,119
but he expressed the interest that he

1607
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:32,799
knew

1608
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,280
the craft of unknown origin were making

1609
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:37,200
unauthorized incursions into the united

1610
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:38,079
states airspace

1611
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:39,760
and that's a big deal it's national

1612
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:42,000
security so when you are involved in

1613
00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:43,040
making

1614
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:44,799
unauthorized incursions you have to

1615
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:46,799
investigate it and he has come to the

1616
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:48,240
conclusion that some of these things

1617
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:49,440
that are coming in tomorrow

1618
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:52,240
into our airspace are not from here and

1619
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:52,799
that's the

1620
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:54,640
the conclusion that he and and mark

1621
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,359
warner have made right

1622
00:57:01,030 --> 00:56:59,520
very key and very important and

1623
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:01,040
noteworthy uh actually more than

1624
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:02,559
noteworthy but i wanted to mention

1625
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:03,359
something

1626
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:05,280
uh that is important for our listeners

1627
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:07,839
to look up and that victor uh

1628
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:09,760
uh and i were discussing earlier in the

1629
00:57:15,309 --> 00:57:11,359
evening before the show

1630
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:15,319
and that is if you go listeners to

1631
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:17,520
intelligence.senate.gov

1632
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:20,240
or you just go on google and you google

1633
00:57:25,829 --> 00:57:21,200
intelligence

1634
00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:25,839
authorization act for fiscal year 2021

1635
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:28,720
you'll see an interesting report and

1636
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:30,079
victor knows this report very well i

1637
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:31,680
know he's gone over it extensively and

1638
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:35,200
that is calendar number 477 report

1639
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:37,920
and it's uh uh goes on to explain

1640
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:39,040
something interesting i'll

1641
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:42,000
read it to you here it says advanced

1642
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:43,599
aerial threats

1643
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:45,280
and then under that says the committee

1644
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:47,680
supports the efforts of the unidentified

1645
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:50,000
aerial phenomenon task force

1646
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:53,119
at the office of naval intelligence to

1647
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:55,280
standardize collection and reporting on

1648
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:58,240
unidentified aerial phenomenon any links

1649
00:58:01,910 --> 00:58:00,079
they have to adversarial foreign

1650
00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:01,920
governments and the threat they pose to

1651
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:02,319
u.s

1652
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:04,880
military assets and installations

1653
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:05,760
however

1654
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:07,920
the committee remains concerned that

1655
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:09,839
there is no unified comprehensive

1656
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:11,359
process within the federal

1657
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:13,680
government for collecting and analyzing

1658
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:14,720
intelligence

1659
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:17,920
on unidentified aerial phenomena despite

1660
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:20,000
the potential threat

1661
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:21,440
the committee understands that the

1662
00:58:25,109 --> 00:58:23,359
relevant intelligence may be sensitive

1663
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:25,119
nevertheless the committee finds

1664
00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:26,640
that the information sharing the

1665
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:28,400
coordination across the intelligence

1666
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:29,359
community has been

1667
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:32,160
inconsistent and this issue has lacked

1668
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:33,040
intel

1669
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,680
attention from senior leaders and then

1670
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:37,200
it just goes on to a very detailed

1671
00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:39,040
analysis and breakdown of what they're

1672
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:40,240
talking about

1673
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:42,960
now i wanted to uh ask you a question

1674
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:43,760
all right before

1675
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,680
before you move on that chant let me uh

1676
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,280
let me follow up on this particular

1677
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:48,960
subject

1678
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:50,720
i'm going to stick with this topic first

1679
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:52,160
okay but uh victor

1680
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:54,079
uh really quick i just want to jump in

1681
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:55,920
and ask uh you've been uh

1682
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:57,680
talking about some of the initiatives

1683
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:59,440
that have taken place on the american

1684
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:00,079
side

1685
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:02,480
and uh what has kind of surprised me a

1686
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:03,200
little bit

1687
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:05,839
is we haven't heard too much comment uh

1688
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:06,319
from

1689
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,319
other allied governments you know uh

1690
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:10,799
obviously canada fits that the uk

1691
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:14,400
france uh germany uh save for the

1692
00:59:19,589 --> 00:59:16,880
japanese and i was wondering if uh

1693
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:19,599
are you aware of any kind of canadian

1694
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:20,640
initiatives that would

1695
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:22,079
mirror what we're seeing here in the

1696
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:24,799
states and uh if not uh why do you think

1697
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,480
that's the case

1698
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:28,559
you mean understanding that the flow of

1699
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:30,160
information politically

1700
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:32,640
uh yeah i mean just uh any any moves

1701
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:34,079
within the canadian government or

1702
00:59:37,109 --> 00:59:34,880
anywhere else

1703
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:37,119
yeah it's happening in other places um

1704
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,359
if you have an um

1705
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:41,680
a broad understanding of how global this

1706
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:42,640
issue is

1707
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,280
uh you've got countries like peru and it

1708
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:47,119
proves a really good example because

1709
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:48,720
the individual that i know that worked

1710
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:50,480
as an advisor in the

1711
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:55,440
peruvian air force they have always been

1712
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:58,720
pride i guess is the only word

1713
01:00:01,829 --> 01:00:00,720
of the fact that um they have a

1714
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:01,839
relationship

1715
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:03,520
with the air force both the government

1716
01:00:06,470 --> 01:00:04,960
and the air force have always had an

1717
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:06,480
ongoing relationship in this

1718
01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:08,480
in this thing and they understand the

1719
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:09,520
issues

1720
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:12,480
and so for that reason that kind of

1721
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:14,240
relationship between the air force

1722
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,359
and and in government

1723
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:19,760
and the people too is reflected by the

1724
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:20,799
fact that ufo

1725
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:22,640
the ufo community down there is fully

1726
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:24,160
aware of what's going on

1727
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:26,400
so it's a good model for us to work on

1728
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:27,839
and that's what that's exactly what

1729
01:00:30,789 --> 01:00:29,119
we're trying to do is

1730
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,799
create a dialogue among all those

1731
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:32,160
partners so we can have

1732
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:35,040
a canadian ufo office in in you know or

1733
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:36,720
someone in the cabinet who represents

1734
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:38,000
these interests

1735
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:40,000
you know or a minister of of off-world

1736
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:41,520
affairs or whatever

1737
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:43,760
to the point where you get um an open

1738
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:45,359
dialogue and admission that this stuff

1739
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:46,880
is real and it needs to be

1740
01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:48,480
um within the framework of our

1741
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:49,920
governance

1742
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:51,760
which brings me to a whole other issue

1743
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:53,040
on this and it sounds rather

1744
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:54,400
contradictory but i can get to that

1745
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:55,440
later if you wish

1746
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:57,680
uh why don't you get to it now we're on

1747
01:01:02,150 --> 01:00:58,480
a roll here

1748
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:02,160
[Laughter]

1749
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:05,200
oh my goodness um

1750
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:07,920
yeah look i know it's an extensive topic

1751
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:08,319
so

1752
01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:09,839
if you feel like you can cover it with

1753
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:12,079
brevity it's you're most welcome to

1754
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:14,480
but i did want to ask you uh and frank

1755
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:15,280
actually

1756
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:16,640
and i have covered this topic

1757
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:18,480
extensively on our shows

1758
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:21,520
and that is what uh

1759
01:01:25,510 --> 01:01:24,400
what equals evidence now i know frank

1760
01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:25,520
specializes in

1761
01:01:30,069 --> 01:01:28,400
researching this topic extensively and

1762
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:30,079
regarding the uap

1763
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:32,880
topic and uh this is actually related to

1764
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:34,640
the report i just read by the way so

1765
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:36,880
this is not uh

1766
01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:39,599
unentangled from it but i did want to

1767
01:01:43,750 --> 01:01:40,480
ask you

1768
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:43,760
uh in your opinion what is radar proof

1769
01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:46,319
or radar evidence uh what does that mean

1770
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:47,119
to you

1771
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:49,440
regarding the uap topic i know frank has

1772
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:51,119
some interesting examples to share

1773
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:53,040
regarding that but do you have anything

1774
01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:55,280
share on that topic because this report

1775
01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:57,440
indicates that they want folks to

1776
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:00,559
collect and uh collect all that uap

1777
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:04,079
data um and uh and more so go ahead

1778
01:02:08,549 --> 01:02:06,720
well that's you know that's a a an

1779
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:08,559
ongoing controversy within the ufo

1780
01:02:11,029 --> 01:02:09,599
research community

1781
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:11,039
there's a community of people who just

1782
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:12,880
go out and look for data

1783
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:14,319
and just say well what was the sighting

1784
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:16,319
like uh how bright was it what was the

1785
01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:17,760
weather

1786
01:02:20,789 --> 01:02:19,839
was it an individual contact was a group

1787
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:20,799
contact

1788
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:29,430
had you been drinking uh all this

1789
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:31,829
okay victor just broke out for a moment

1790
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:33,760
but he'll be right back in just a sec

1791
01:02:37,589 --> 01:02:34,480
it's just an

1792
01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:37,599
intermittent internet connection sorry

1793
01:02:43,750 --> 01:02:39,039
we lost her for a moment

1794
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:45,750
we lost you for a moment for about maybe

1795
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:58,870
and when i first began in this whole

1796
01:03:02,309 --> 01:03:00,240
field i i was part of that

1797
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:02,319
that but i got to realize that this

1798
01:03:07,029 --> 01:03:04,000
story was more than just

1799
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:07,039
data okay it's just not the collection

1800
01:03:09,029 --> 01:03:07,520
of data

1801
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:09,039
it's the data and how you convince

1802
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:10,720
people that this this is this is going

1803
01:03:14,710 --> 01:03:12,480
on

1804
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:14,720
that's been sort of the the angst

1805
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:16,079
between the people who want to push this

1806
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:17,599
thing forward and then just the ones who

1807
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:18,880
want to just collect data and that's as

1808
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:20,160
far as they go

1809
01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:22,799
and there's so much research going on uh

1810
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:24,880
that is not politically motivated

1811
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:27,119
to change politicians minds about this

1812
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:29,280
stuff they're not using the data to do

1813
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:30,559
that now

1814
01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:32,400
when you're going back to rubio now you

1815
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:34,079
use that as an example you mentioned it

1816
01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:34,559
earlier

1817
01:03:38,069 --> 01:03:37,119
he is a politician who's been he's been

1818
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:38,079
probably

1819
01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:41,359
closed doors about this whole

1820
01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:43,920
this whole thing i'm absolutely sure

1821
01:03:46,870 --> 01:03:44,480
about it

1822
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:46,880
he knows if not the full story he knows

1823
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:47,760
that there's something that the

1824
01:03:51,670 --> 01:03:49,920
government is hiding

1825
01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:51,680
right with him i know the senate

1826
01:03:53,829 --> 01:03:53,440
intelligence committee will need more

1827
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:53,839
than

1828
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:56,799
say our word or some some joe schmoe's

1829
01:04:01,349 --> 01:03:58,880
word for example or

1830
01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:01,359
they're uh hey i know it's real type

1831
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:02,960
thing i know you know that i'm just

1832
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:05,920
saying that a detailed analysis of any

1833
01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:06,960
kind of

1834
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:09,119
hard data would definitely want to be

1835
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:11,520
collected collated and amassed by

1836
01:04:16,630 --> 01:04:14,960
these folks and so moving along frank

1837
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:16,640
i wanted to mention something to you and

1838
01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:18,480
maybe you can talk to us about this just

1839
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:20,400
a little bit and victor can chime in

1840
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:23,599
and that is that uaps have reportedly

1841
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:26,640
or purportedly accelerated to have

1842
01:04:31,510 --> 01:04:28,240
accelerations that range from

1843
01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:31,520
almost 100 g's to thousands of g's far

1844
01:04:35,349 --> 01:04:34,480
higher than a human pilot could survive

1845
01:04:37,029 --> 01:04:35,359
and there's no

1846
01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:37,039
air disturbance visible they don't

1847
01:04:40,390 --> 01:04:38,480
produce sonic booms

1848
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:40,400
these and other oddities have captured

1849
01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:42,240
the attention of i told you so

1850
01:04:46,390 --> 01:04:44,559
they're uh here ufo believers so by the

1851
01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:46,400
way i'm reading this from space.com

1852
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:49,599
uh frank what what kind of

1853
01:04:54,789 --> 01:04:52,720
radar proof or radar evidence do we have

1854
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:54,799
of ufos or uaps

1855
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:56,640
that you can mention off the top of your

1856
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:58,160
head well

1857
01:05:01,670 --> 01:05:00,000
there's not too many actual radar

1858
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:01,680
reports uh that are uh

1859
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:04,160
let loose but uh we do know that the

1860
01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:04,960
radar has

1861
01:05:09,910 --> 01:05:07,200
picked up these things that we do have

1862
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:09,920
uh accounts from our radar operators

1863
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:12,480
like kevin day and gary voorhees they've

1864
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:13,839
seen these uh

1865
01:05:21,829 --> 01:05:18,240
objects create these uh maneuvers

1866
01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:21,839
do these types of things and uh you know

1867
01:05:26,950 --> 01:05:23,680
radar is physical evidence

1868
01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:26,960
uh it's a form of remote sensing uh

1869
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:29,920
not uh so terribly different than uh how

1870
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:30,480
we have

1871
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:33,200
discovered exoplanets you know we look

1872
01:05:36,069 --> 01:05:33,599
at

1873
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:36,079
the uh the dimming of the stars and the

1874
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:37,280
deuce that

1875
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:39,839
uh planet is uh crossing the plane

1876
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:40,400
between

1877
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:42,880
where we're looking and uh the stars so

1878
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:44,160
where we can determine

1879
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:46,880
uh the the size of the planet and so on

1880
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:48,079
and so forth also

1881
01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:50,480
i'll look at the the wobble method uh

1882
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:51,520
but again we don't

1883
01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:53,119
we don't have a rock for many of these

1884
01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:55,119
exoplanets we don't uh

1885
01:06:00,390 --> 01:05:58,000
have a sample of gas from any of these

1886
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:00,400
exoplanets

1887
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:03,200
directly we don't have any in hand

1888
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:04,160
physical evidence

1889
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:06,240
but the remote sensing that these

1890
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:08,319
telescopes the space telescopes the

1891
01:06:12,309 --> 01:06:10,400
ground-based telescopes do

1892
01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:12,319
they provide physical evidence through

1893
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:13,520
remote sensing

1894
01:06:17,910 --> 01:06:16,160
and radar is in the same class of

1895
01:06:18,309 --> 01:06:17,920
providing that kind of physical evidence

1896
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:18,319
uh

1897
01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:20,400
people ask for physical evidence radar

1898
01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:21,680
is physical evidence and

1899
01:06:25,349 --> 01:06:23,920
uh i've been convinced of that for a

1900
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:25,359
long time and uh

1901
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:27,440
every time i ask a physicist the same

1902
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:28,880
question uh they're

1903
01:06:32,069 --> 01:06:30,240
you know they're right on board yeah

1904
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:32,079
radar is physical evidence and it's a

1905
01:06:37,029 --> 01:06:33,839
really important part of the evidence

1906
01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:37,039
and unfortunately uh the organizations

1907
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:38,880
uh not too many independent ufo

1908
01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:40,079
researchers

1909
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:42,000
have their own radar installation that's

1910
01:06:44,950 --> 01:06:44,240
something for a nation that's something

1911
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:44,960
that

1912
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:51,359
you know a very uh very well-heeled uh

1913
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:54,160
for the the commercial uh aviation

1914
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:56,559
that they have but we don't have it and

1915
01:06:59,589 --> 01:06:57,599
that really is

1916
01:07:01,829 --> 01:06:59,599
uh some of the best evidence that that

1917
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:01,839
would create quite a little pile

1918
01:07:06,069 --> 01:07:03,920
uh that would be out there and

1919
01:07:08,230 --> 01:07:06,079
unfortunately we don't have access to it

1920
01:07:10,390 --> 01:07:08,240
well the senate intelligence committee

1921
01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:10,400
has a really a huge uh burden placed

1922
01:07:14,309 --> 01:07:11,920
upon them to try and

1923
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:14,319
expect folks to bring forth any kind of

1924
01:07:17,670 --> 01:07:16,480
objective and high quality data now uh

1925
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:17,680
highneck mentioned

1926
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:20,160
that if these uh this phenomenon is

1927
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:21,119
millions of years

1928
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:23,440
ahead of us regarding its technology it

1929
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:24,960
would be quite easy for

1930
01:07:31,029 --> 01:07:28,000
that technology to ignore us so to speak

1931
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:31,039
and cloak its itself is my is my

1932
01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:34,559
belief and uh facilitate the ability to

1933
01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:38,480
not be actually detected hence the hence

1934
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:40,960
are not having much on the uap

1935
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:42,480
phenomenon

1936
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:44,720
yeah well what we're interested in is

1937
01:07:48,789 --> 01:07:46,240
when it is detected

1938
01:07:50,549 --> 01:07:48,799
those instances when it is so you know

1939
01:07:53,190 --> 01:07:50,559
you don't know what you don't know if

1940
01:07:54,789 --> 01:07:53,200
uh they're a lot more ubiquitous and uh

1941
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:54,799
they're just flying around not being

1942
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:56,960
detected well they're not being detected

1943
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:58,000
so we don't know about it

1944
01:08:01,990 --> 01:08:00,480
but obviously there are some uh serious

1945
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:02,000
instances when they are and those are

1946
01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:03,760
the ones that we're really interested in

1947
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,440
uh those are the ones that we really

1948
01:08:10,150 --> 01:08:07,440
want to know more about

1949
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:10,160
great well so victor uh did you have

1950
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:11,680
anything you want to touch upon

1951
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:13,520
regarding the aliens in hiding until

1952
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:15,200
mankind is ready says

1953
01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:18,640
x-rays ex-israeli space head that was an

1954
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:20,319
interesting article

1955
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:22,960
i know i see you laughing there please

1956
01:08:27,669 --> 01:08:24,000
do touch on that

1957
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:27,679
topic to be really honest with you

1958
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:30,400
i've i've i know that the the article

1959
01:08:35,189 --> 01:08:32,480
did come out

1960
01:08:36,390 --> 01:08:35,199
i must admit i have not read the entire

1961
01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:36,400
articles because

1962
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:38,319
i i first got into the first couple of

1963
01:08:42,070 --> 01:08:39,600
paragraphs of it

1964
01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:42,080
and i began to realize that uh something

1965
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:42,719
really really

1966
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:46,000
strange was going on and um

1967
01:08:49,269 --> 01:08:48,000
and if people want to find out more

1968
01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:49,279
about this and

1969
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:52,080
and try to get to the bottom of his

1970
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:54,000
assumption that

1971
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:56,239
the extraterrestrials have in some way

1972
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:57,359
told us uh

1973
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:59,279
back off folks we'll we'll do this when

1974
01:09:01,590 --> 01:09:00,960
when when we're ready not when you're

1975
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:01,600
ready

1976
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:05,520
um we start to talk right now you're not

1977
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:07,120
ready to get the message

1978
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:09,120
so from that position of that point of

1979
01:09:15,269 --> 01:09:12,000
view um

1980
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:15,279
that that is a very important to make

1981
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:16,960
but i think the way he goes about it is

1982
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:18,560
a little a little

1983
01:09:22,149 --> 01:09:21,199
dodgy that's all victor when when this

1984
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:22,159
story came out

1985
01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:23,759
it's kind of funny because uh here's a

1986
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:26,080
gentleman who had uh some very serious

1987
01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:27,040
positions in

1988
01:09:31,030 --> 01:09:30,319
the israeli uh military and uh space uh

1989
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:31,040
areas

1990
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:33,279
uh he's a you know an older gentleman

1991
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:35,040
his career is behind him

1992
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:37,520
and i i kind of even though he obviously

1993
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:38,880
goes a little bit further i kind of

1994
01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:40,880
thought immediately of paul hellyer when

1995
01:09:44,149 --> 01:09:42,080
i saw this

1996
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:44,159
bit of news come out i was wondering if

1997
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:46,480
you have any thoughts on that

1998
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:48,960
yeah uh well paul when he first came

1999
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:50,880
forward this is uh you know he was uh

2000
01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:53,600
i guess in his early 80s when he first

2001
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:56,239
came forward he's 97 right now

2002
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:59,280
and uh still going strong a lot of times

2003
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:00,480
what happens with

2004
01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:02,640
men of this kind of stature is that they

2005
01:10:05,830 --> 01:10:04,000
reach a point in their life

2006
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:05,840
where they say well you know i might as

2007
01:10:09,189 --> 01:10:07,600
well just let everybody know what i'm

2008
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:09,199
thinking and i don't care what they say

2009
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:11,440
or i don't i really don't care whether

2010
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:12,880
they believe me or not

2011
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:14,640
and you reach a point in your life or a

2012
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:16,080
level of maturity

2013
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:17,760
or age wisdom whatever you want to call

2014
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:19,840
it they just say well here are the cars

2015
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:20,960
and i'm going to put all my cars in the

2016
01:10:23,669 --> 01:10:21,520
table

2017
01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:23,679
and this guy's done that and i applaud

2018
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:24,560
him for doing it

2019
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:25,600
and i also like the fact that it's

2020
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:27,760
getting as much attention as it is

2021
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:31,199
so overall i don't think it's helpful

2022
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:32,960
the way the whole thing goes on about

2023
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:34,480
mars and all that other stuff

2024
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:38,080
yeah i i see the public is not ready for

2025
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:38,640
that

2026
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:41,199
and i and it may well in fact be going

2027
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:43,920
on i know i will not rule out anything

2028
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:44,960
but right now

2029
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:47,600
if we have to you know convince people

2030
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:48,800
that there are actually underground

2031
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:49,840
bases on mars or

2032
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:51,120
there's huts there or there are people

2033
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:53,280
there already uh that's going to be a

2034
01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:54,960
big cell that people are going to say

2035
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:57,440
why what what are you talking about we

2036
01:10:59,590 --> 01:10:58,000
have to get

2037
01:11:01,110 --> 01:10:59,600
people to understand the more basic

2038
01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:01,120
issues about what this

2039
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:03,920
this whole problem really is if they're

2040
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:05,040
not from here

2041
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:07,600
and we're being engaged by them and once

2042
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:08,400
we get that

2043
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:11,280
into the the public narrative then i

2044
01:11:14,310 --> 01:11:12,320
think it's going to be

2045
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:14,320
a bit of an easier easier sell for

2046
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:15,520
everybody well

2047
01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:19,199
and see there are a few different uh

2048
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:22,159
camps out there that might uh wrestle

2049
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:23,520
with you a little bit on what you just

2050
01:11:26,709 --> 01:11:24,880
said let me explain

2051
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:26,719
when you say they're not from here as

2052
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:28,080
you know so well because you've studied

2053
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:29,840
this topic for decades

2054
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:32,880
there's a group of folks out there that

2055
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:33,520
believe

2056
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:36,640
that they uh whoever they are have been

2057
01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:37,440
here

2058
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:40,000
since uh the inception of humanity or

2059
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:40,719
even

2060
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:44,080
millions of you know well before that

2061
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:46,080
and that they may have even designed us

2062
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:48,080
now i know that's actually very fringe

2063
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:48,960
related

2064
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:51,440
well the whole topic of the ufo and et

2065
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:53,120
uh subjects uh

2066
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:55,760
is french related however that's kind of

2067
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:57,920
kind of jumping down the rabbit hole a

2068
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:58,320
lot

2069
01:12:02,630 --> 01:12:01,280
deeper uh so i wanted to ask you do you

2070
01:12:05,189 --> 01:12:02,640
think it's possible that

2071
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:05,199
they i'm using air quotes listeners when

2072
01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:06,080
i say that

2073
01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:13,270
i remain convinced first of all that um

2074
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:16,719
that any any theory that um

2075
01:12:22,149 --> 01:12:19,840
uh how can i put it uh is so

2076
01:12:22,870 --> 01:12:22,159
so narrow in focus that it won't allow

2077
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:22,880
for

2078
01:12:27,189 --> 01:12:25,920
a new world view is difficult to

2079
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:27,199
understand

2080
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:30,000
and uh it's it's it's a matter of how we

2081
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:32,400
present the information to the public

2082
01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:35,120
and and that's that's more than crucial

2083
01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:36,320
that manner of

2084
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:37,760
putting it forward so that people will

2085
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:39,360
understand it is

2086
01:12:43,510 --> 01:12:41,520
um something that we're wrestling with

2087
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:43,520
and so you see all the controversy that

2088
01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:44,960
surrounds the whole issue

2089
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:46,719
and that's what's really lacking is a

2090
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:49,440
consensus that we have to come forward

2091
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:51,760
okay great thank you so much for uh

2092
01:12:56,790 --> 01:12:53,920
touching on those topics still

2093
01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:56,800
just want to remind folks that earth is

2094
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:58,000
four and a half

2095
01:13:03,430 --> 01:13:00,480
uh billion years old and humans have

2096
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:03,440
been around for 200 000 years so if

2097
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:05,920
aliens or et's whatever you want to

2098
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:07,040
refer to them as

2099
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:08,880
have been here longer than us uh they

2100
01:13:10,950 --> 01:13:10,400
would have had to been here longer than

2101
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:10,960
200

2102
01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:14,480
000 years ago um anyway moving along

2103
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:17,120
i wanted to touch on another topic here

2104
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:18,560
let me just go ahead and bring that up

2105
01:13:22,229 --> 01:13:20,080
that's the foia work of christian

2106
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:22,239
lambright now although you may be

2107
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:24,719
uh familiar or not familiar with this

2108
01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:26,800
work i just want to let folks know

2109
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:29,440
how they would look that topic up and

2110
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:30,880
that is they would look up

2111
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:34,159
ufos uh gravely damaged u.s national

2112
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:34,960
security

2113
01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:37,440
you do a google search on grave damage

2114
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:39,520
national security ufos and you will find

2115
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:40,480
that

2116
01:13:43,590 --> 01:13:42,560
now this is an interesting topic i just

2117
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:43,600
i'm going to go ahead and read the

2118
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:44,719
headline to you

2119
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:46,320
christian lambright by the way let me go

2120
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:47,920
ahead and preface it with this topic

2121
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:49,280
with this information

2122
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:51,920
christian lambright is a well-known uh

2123
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:54,000
historian and researcher of the ufo

2124
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:56,000
topic he goes back decades

2125
01:14:02,790 --> 01:13:59,280
and uh he actually as he always does

2126
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:02,800
foid a u.s government agency or agencies

2127
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:04,719
regarding the ufo topic

2128
01:14:08,470 --> 01:14:06,960
and the response from them was

2129
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:08,480
astounding and it was covered by

2130
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:09,600
mainstream

2131
01:14:14,310 --> 01:14:12,320
media outlets worldwide this article

2132
01:14:16,229 --> 01:14:14,320
that was published on january 13th it's

2133
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:16,239
on fox news but you can find it on many

2134
01:14:19,990 --> 01:14:18,640
other sites it says top secret ufo files

2135
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:20,000
could gravely damage u.s

2136
01:14:25,110 --> 01:14:23,040
national security navy says the first

2137
01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:25,120
paragraph here the department of defense

2138
01:14:29,669 --> 01:14:27,440
has top secret classified briefings in a

2139
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:29,679
classified video about a ufo incident

2140
01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:31,760
the us navy acknowledged the existence

2141
01:14:36,149 --> 01:14:33,360
of the information which concerns the

2142
01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:36,159
2004 encounter between the uss nimitz

2143
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:38,320
and strange unknown aerial objects in

2144
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:39,760
response to public

2145
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:42,960
records requests um and last year the

2146
01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:44,480
navy for the first time acknowledged

2147
01:14:46,470 --> 01:14:44,800
that

2148
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:46,480
three videos which you know so well

2149
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:49,040
victor uh one from the

2150
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:51,600
2004 uss nimitz incident and two from

2151
01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:54,320
2015 were real videos of unidentified

2152
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:55,280
flying objects

2153
01:14:59,270 --> 01:14:56,960
i think what they're talking about of

2154
01:15:02,229 --> 01:14:59,280
course is the tic tac gimbal and go fast

2155
01:15:02,790 --> 01:15:02,239
videos now i wanted to ask you do you

2156
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:02,800
agree

2157
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:04,880
that if the u.s government were to

2158
01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:06,080
reveal anything

2159
01:15:10,149 --> 01:15:08,080
regarding the uap topic that it would

2160
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:10,159
actually cause grave damage to u.s

2161
01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:12,320
national security as the u.s naval

2162
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:15,520
navy uh or u.s naval intelligence uh

2163
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:18,080
indicated yeah there's two points to

2164
01:15:21,910 --> 01:15:19,600
that um

2165
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:21,920
one point is who who owns this

2166
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:23,760
information we can get into that

2167
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:26,400
in a minute and please let's talk about

2168
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:28,000
who owns this information

2169
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:30,719
and the other part of it is the is the

2170
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:31,520
dominated

2171
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:34,400
uh uh cyclical war economy that we're

2172
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:35,520
operating under

2173
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:38,800
uh we on the planet uh thrive by

2174
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:42,880
um a cyclical war attitude towards

2175
01:15:47,430 --> 01:15:45,520
our being conflict seems to be the thing

2176
01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:47,440
that we're really really really good at

2177
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:51,280
drawing borders and um encouraging

2178
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:53,440
on other people's borders we're really

2179
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:54,640
really good at that

2180
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:57,199
and when you look at what kind of

2181
01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:58,320
behavior

2182
01:16:02,630 --> 01:16:01,120
is necessary to evolve into a better

2183
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:02,640
species

2184
01:16:07,430 --> 01:16:04,880
it's incumbent on us to believe that

2185
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:07,440
there are other civilizations out there

2186
01:16:11,669 --> 01:16:09,440
and that if we don't pay attention to

2187
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:11,679
the fact that we can

2188
01:16:15,669 --> 01:16:13,280
understand this issue if we just

2189
01:16:17,189 --> 01:16:15,679
internalize it to a point where

2190
01:16:19,189 --> 01:16:17,199
it makes a difference in our day-to-day

2191
01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:19,199
life right now it doesn't make a big

2192
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:20,960
difference in most people's day-to-day

2193
01:16:23,669 --> 01:16:21,840
lives

2194
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:23,679
and that's a that's that's a real shame

2195
01:16:26,390 --> 01:16:24,960
especially in the conditions that we're

2196
01:16:28,470 --> 01:16:26,400
operating under now with the pandemic

2197
01:16:31,510 --> 01:16:28,480
it makes it very difficult for people to

2198
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:31,520
focus on other things especially this

2199
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:32,960
but in fact it's the biggest story in

2200
01:16:36,709 --> 01:16:35,440
human history and if if we don't get it

2201
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:36,719
out there then

2202
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:38,400
boy we're gonna do a lot of suffering

2203
01:16:40,709 --> 01:16:39,920
between now and the time we realized we

2204
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:40,719
made a big

2205
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:42,800
big big mistake wanted to mention

2206
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:44,719
something very interesting we had cheryl

2207
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:45,360
costa

2208
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:48,960
the ufo uh what she does is she

2209
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:52,480
likes to collect collate and

2210
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:55,920
basically organize and amass as much ufo

2211
01:16:58,550 --> 01:16:57,760
related data as possible she's done this

2212
01:17:00,149 --> 01:16:58,560
for years

2213
01:17:01,830 --> 01:17:00,159
and she indicated that during the

2214
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:01,840
pandemic

2215
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:03,600
she knows that folks would that have

2216
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:05,679
gone out on their smoke breaks

2217
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:08,000
meaning from their houses because

2218
01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:08,800
they're at home

2219
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:10,960
in their telecommunity they'll go

2220
01:17:14,470 --> 01:17:13,120
outside for whatever reason to take a

2221
01:17:17,590 --> 01:17:14,480
break from their work

2222
01:17:18,510 --> 01:17:17,600
from other computer and uh they've

2223
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:18,520
noticed more

2224
01:17:22,709 --> 01:17:21,040
uap-related activity now that could of

2225
01:17:25,830 --> 01:17:22,719
course be drones venus

2226
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:25,840
uh starlink uh elon musk

2227
01:17:29,669 --> 01:17:27,760
starlink and stuff like that but people

2228
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:29,679
are noticing the skies more

2229
01:17:34,070 --> 01:17:31,920
so i think that there's misunderstanding

2230
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:34,080
um this is just my bias opinion

2231
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:35,440
that people actually feel they're

2232
01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:38,480
noticing uaps more uaps now

2233
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:40,560
but i think that they whoever they are

2234
01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:42,159
have been around forever

2235
01:17:45,189 --> 01:17:44,080
so to speak so i don't think they're out

2236
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:45,199
more now

2237
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:46,800
i think they've just been around a lot

2238
01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:48,239
people are noticing more what do you

2239
01:17:51,189 --> 01:17:49,199
think about that

2240
01:17:52,229 --> 01:17:51,199
no that you're right uh the whole the

2241
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:52,239
whole um

2242
01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:54,800
sociological and anthropological issues

2243
01:17:58,470 --> 01:17:55,440
surrounding

2244
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:58,480
exactly what you're talking about is uh

2245
01:18:02,630 --> 01:18:00,960
if if this has been going on for as long

2246
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:02,640
as you and i think it has been going on

2247
01:18:06,149 --> 01:18:04,320
and they've been watching us or being

2248
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:06,159
part of us for as long as they have been

2249
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:07,440
doing that and we're just discovering

2250
01:18:11,350 --> 01:18:09,040
that now

2251
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:11,360
what does that tell us about our species

2252
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:13,360
and our capacity to understand what what

2253
01:18:16,550 --> 01:18:14,480
they really want

2254
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:16,560
or what they could want or the even

2255
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:18,080
better stated than that

2256
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:20,480
that if they're they are in fact

2257
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:22,080
responsible for being us here

2258
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:24,159
and uh they just sort of let us go okay

2259
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:25,440
just evolve

2260
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:26,640
do whatever you need to do knock

2261
01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:28,000
yourself out and we've kind of made a

2262
01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:28,960
mess of it

2263
01:18:34,149 --> 01:18:32,800
now um they had a choice if they could

2264
01:18:36,790 --> 01:18:34,159
intervene why not and steer the

2265
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:36,800
civilization in the right direction

2266
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:39,520
and i i just get the funny feeling i'm

2267
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:40,560
not sure why i

2268
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:43,120
i know this or feel this but the

2269
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:43,840
admission by

2270
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:46,719
them that these guys are just not ready

2271
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:48,960
they're only 17 years old

2272
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:50,640
and right let me just take a look what's

2273
01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:52,080
going on we are not

2274
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:53,679
ready for this now i think it would help

2275
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:55,440
if they did give us a slap in the face i

2276
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:57,040
it would really help us a lot

2277
01:19:01,350 --> 01:18:59,840
right now especially now but the fact of

2278
01:19:01,990 --> 01:19:01,360
the matter is if we're not ready for

2279
01:19:03,910 --> 01:19:02,000
this

2280
01:19:05,430 --> 01:19:03,920
it could cause problems beyond belief

2281
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:05,440
and i think that that's part of the

2282
01:19:08,870 --> 01:19:06,480
whole scenario

2283
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:08,880
yeah just a personal thing i wanted to

2284
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:10,320
share is that my boyfriend said

2285
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:11,760
something very interesting recently he

2286
01:19:15,830 --> 01:19:13,679
said you know we're not babies

2287
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:15,840
i think we're adult enough to know if an

2288
01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:16,719
individual

2289
01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:20,000
who actually has uh the ability to

2290
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:24,159
covet or have access to

2291
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:27,360
to restricted confidential secret or top

2292
01:19:31,830 --> 01:19:28,560
secret information

2293
01:19:32,709 --> 01:19:31,840
can handle it so can we because we're

2294
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:32,719
all humans

2295
01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:36,000
and folks will handle it in their own

2296
01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:39,040
way and we should let them

2297
01:19:43,350 --> 01:19:41,120
react to it in their own manner now

2298
01:19:45,669 --> 01:19:43,360
there are those who will actually deny

2299
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:45,679
the existence of an e.t if there was one

2300
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:48,400
actually there land on their front lawn

2301
01:19:52,790 --> 01:19:50,400
they'll still deny it's there victor you

2302
01:19:54,950 --> 01:19:52,800
know there's people out there like that

2303
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:54,960
there's always an explanation but you're

2304
01:20:00,630 --> 01:19:56,640
gonna say something go ahead

2305
01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:00,640
no no you're you're exactly right um

2306
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:02,320
the first time this kind of stuff

2307
01:20:07,430 --> 01:20:04,800
happens to a species

2308
01:20:08,550 --> 01:20:07,440
when they've reached a point of no

2309
01:20:12,149 --> 01:20:08,560
return

2310
01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:12,159
and the collectivity of the notion of us

2311
01:20:15,350 --> 01:20:14,080
being in trouble is not severe enough at

2312
01:20:16,870 --> 01:20:15,360
this point in time

2313
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:16,880
people really don't think we're in all

2314
01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:18,880
that kind of trouble and that we don't

2315
01:20:24,070 --> 01:20:20,960
really need to become a space faring uh

2316
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:24,080
species the admission of that

2317
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:26,000
and but then you look at the conduit of

2318
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:27,840
information that's telling another

2319
01:20:31,350 --> 01:20:28,960
narrative

2320
01:20:32,709 --> 01:20:31,360
becomes such a crucial part of our

2321
01:20:34,790 --> 01:20:32,719
social discourse

2322
01:20:36,390 --> 01:20:34,800
that the less we talk about it and

2323
01:20:37,430 --> 01:20:36,400
that's why programs like this are

2324
01:20:39,510 --> 01:20:37,440
exactly what we need

2325
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:39,520
we need to get this kind of language out

2326
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:41,360
there so that people understand what it

2327
01:20:43,110 --> 01:20:41,840
is

2328
01:20:44,790 --> 01:20:43,120
and when they you know as you said

2329
01:20:46,149 --> 01:20:44,800
earlier when they look up at the stars

2330
01:20:48,070 --> 01:20:46,159
rather than thinking it's

2331
01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:48,080
something weird or something it's not

2332
01:20:51,270 --> 01:20:49,920
they ponder it more carefully

2333
01:20:52,709 --> 01:20:51,280
whether they're right or wrong or they

2334
01:20:53,030 --> 01:20:52,719
saw something that was physical or just

2335
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:53,040
a

2336
01:20:59,590 --> 01:20:56,800
question

2337
01:21:01,590 --> 01:20:59,600
we just might not be alone now before we

2338
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:01,600
talk about who owns that information by

2339
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:03,120
the way that was fabulous what you just

2340
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:04,159
said thank you

2341
01:21:07,189 --> 01:21:06,400
um before we talk about who owns this

2342
01:21:10,709 --> 01:21:07,199
information

2343
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:10,719
um uh wanted to ask you something that i

2344
01:21:15,430 --> 01:21:13,360
that is important to me and regarding

2345
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:15,440
what your thought process is on this

2346
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:16,080
topic

2347
01:21:23,350 --> 01:21:20,080
and that is lou elizondo indicated

2348
01:21:26,629 --> 01:21:23,360
a while back that there are

2349
01:21:28,629 --> 01:21:26,639
allegedly officials in our u.s

2350
01:21:29,910 --> 01:21:28,639
government who believe that anything

2351
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:29,920
that is uh uap

2352
01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:33,440
related et related that it is satanic

2353
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:36,239
in nature now uh i have an issue with

2354
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:36,719
that

2355
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:40,239
actually

2356
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:43,440
maybe related to the uap program

2357
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:45,920
the aatip program that he was a member

2358
01:21:50,550 --> 01:21:46,560
of

2359
01:21:53,270 --> 01:21:50,560
uh how did they actually handle

2360
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:53,280
that topic in a manner that would be

2361
01:21:58,709 --> 01:21:56,560
judicious or responsible for that matter

2362
01:21:59,990 --> 01:21:58,719
um now a lot of people might take issue

2363
01:22:01,910 --> 01:22:00,000
with what i just said but

2364
01:22:03,590 --> 01:22:01,920
uh victor what are your thoughts on that

2365
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:03,600
well i'd you know what to be really

2366
01:22:06,629 --> 01:22:05,440
honest with you i i'm not sure i've

2367
01:22:10,709 --> 01:22:06,639
heard

2368
01:22:13,910 --> 01:22:10,719
we interviewed him

2369
01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:13,920
our program

2370
01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:16,239
yeah for an hour and a half and i but

2371
01:22:19,189 --> 01:22:17,840
then again you know i haven't read every

2372
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:19,199
single thing that he said and done

2373
01:22:22,709 --> 01:22:21,120
yeah it may not have come up but uh

2374
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:22,719
there's a

2375
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:26,159
sort of a right-wing fundamentalist uh

2376
01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:29,760
element within the military uh known as

2377
01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:31,040
the collins elite

2378
01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:34,239
and uh they may yeah they may or may not

2379
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:34,719
have

2380
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:37,199
that level of influence um he has

2381
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:38,880
discussed in the past

2382
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:41,280
where uh the uh the previo his

2383
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:42,320
predecessor

2384
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:45,120
in terms of uh running uh the the ufo uh

2385
01:22:49,270 --> 01:22:45,520
uh

2386
01:22:51,350 --> 01:22:49,280
issues with them

2387
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:51,360
and was basically sort of forced out

2388
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:53,120
because i guess they didn't like the

2389
01:22:56,629 --> 01:22:54,800
direction that he wanted to go in

2390
01:22:58,629 --> 01:22:56,639
uh regarding skinwalker ranch so that

2391
01:23:01,590 --> 01:22:58,639
yeah that stuff did come up

2392
01:23:02,870 --> 01:23:01,600
interesting now uh who who owns the

2393
01:23:06,149 --> 01:23:02,880
information

2394
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:06,159
please touch on that yes uh well we've

2395
01:23:10,709 --> 01:23:06,560
been

2396
01:23:12,629 --> 01:23:10,719
night now yeah we just don't know it yet

2397
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:12,639
um but the fact of the matter is

2398
01:23:17,750 --> 01:23:15,760
um when you look at who we are as a

2399
01:23:19,669 --> 01:23:17,760
species and what we represent as

2400
01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:19,679
as corporeal beings and our ways of

2401
01:23:22,790 --> 01:23:20,800
thinking

2402
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:22,800
we we set up boundaries about it with

2403
01:23:26,629 --> 01:23:23,840
everything that we do

2404
01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:26,639
and uh we have personal boundaries we

2405
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:27,199
have

2406
01:23:31,189 --> 01:23:30,000
you know familial boundaries uh social

2407
01:23:32,709 --> 01:23:31,199
boundaries uh

2408
01:23:34,709 --> 01:23:32,719
technical boundaries all these things we

2409
01:23:37,910 --> 01:23:34,719
set these things up we call them borders

2410
01:23:40,070 --> 01:23:37,920
and countries do the same thing and

2411
01:23:41,990 --> 01:23:40,080
what what we're faced with is a lack of

2412
01:23:43,030 --> 01:23:42,000
consensus about how we need to come

2413
01:23:46,629 --> 01:23:43,040
together

2414
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:46,639
uh about about this issue and it comes

2415
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:49,199
to mind that um

2416
01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:51,840
i guess good civilizations when they

2417
01:23:54,470 --> 01:23:53,600
reach a point where they need to make a

2418
01:23:56,950 --> 01:23:54,480
change

2419
01:23:58,070 --> 01:23:56,960
a lot of people suffer ideologically and

2420
01:24:00,390 --> 01:23:58,080
politically

2421
01:24:01,990 --> 01:24:00,400
and that change is not there yet and i

2422
01:24:05,270 --> 01:24:02,000
just keep on asking the questions

2423
01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:05,280
why is the will of the people not that

2424
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:07,840
strongly uh not imposed but uh

2425
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:08,880
recognized

2426
01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:11,600
uh in in the social order and it just

2427
01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:13,280
never ceases to amaze me that the

2428
01:24:16,149 --> 01:24:15,280
controlling factors within the cyclical

2429
01:24:17,590 --> 01:24:16,159
war economy

2430
01:24:19,510 --> 01:24:17,600
keep on doing this all the time and

2431
01:24:22,470 --> 01:24:19,520
repressing this notion

2432
01:24:23,430 --> 01:24:22,480
so i guess our job is to try to lessen

2433
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:23,440
that pressure

2434
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:25,679
and and have them recognize that they

2435
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:27,040
need to become part of the dialogue

2436
01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:29,440
rather than repressing it

2437
01:24:33,669 --> 01:24:32,560
okay now i just want to get real literal

2438
01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:33,679
and technical here

2439
01:24:38,950 --> 01:24:37,120
about uh owning information and how the

2440
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:38,960
u.s government or another first or

2441
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:39,760
second

2442
01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:41,520
or even third world government might

2443
01:24:46,149 --> 01:24:42,880
view uh

2444
01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:46,159
their information and that might be uh

2445
01:24:52,229 --> 01:24:49,440
a branded classified information

2446
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:52,239
a category you know very well and the

2447
01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:54,080
definition of that it's material that a

2448
01:24:58,070 --> 01:24:55,760
government body deems to be sensitive

2449
01:25:00,390 --> 01:24:58,080
information that must be protected

2450
01:25:02,149 --> 01:25:00,400
uh i presume by that sentence they mean

2451
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:02,159
owned

2452
01:25:06,149 --> 01:25:04,320
and access is restricted by law

2453
01:25:08,149 --> 01:25:06,159
regulation particular groups of people

2454
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:08,159
with the necess

2455
01:25:11,590 --> 01:25:10,000
necessary security clearance and need to

2456
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:11,600
know and mishandling of the material can

2457
01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:12,639
incur in criminal

2458
01:25:16,629 --> 01:25:15,040
penalties would it be silly of me to

2459
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,639
think that they're actually being rented

2460
01:25:21,910 --> 01:25:18,960
this information now let me explain

2461
01:25:23,590 --> 01:25:21,920
if you're a top secret agent or whatever

2462
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:23,600
they're called okay

2463
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:25,600
uh has some double oh seven guy that's

2464
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:27,520
working for a government

2465
01:25:30,629 --> 01:25:29,600
uh the information you have that you're

2466
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:30,639
privy to

2467
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:33,360
in a compartmentalized fashion you are

2468
01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:33,920
actually

2469
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:37,760
you do not own you're just allowed to

2470
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:41,040
know it but then you're never allowed to

2471
01:25:47,030 --> 01:25:44,800
share it so so who owns it then if a

2472
01:25:48,629 --> 01:25:47,040
human doesn't can you explain that is it

2473
01:25:50,629 --> 01:25:48,639
just the organization what

2474
01:25:52,070 --> 01:25:50,639
it's it's that you raise a really really

2475
01:25:54,730 --> 01:25:52,080
good point um

2476
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:54,740
the idea that um

2477
01:25:57,990 --> 01:25:55,920
[Applause]

2478
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:58,000
we as a species and i keep on using that

2479
01:26:00,629 --> 01:25:59,360
word i don't want to you know

2480
01:26:02,550 --> 01:26:00,639
characterize itself as anything else so

2481
01:26:07,189 --> 01:26:02,560
we're an evolving group of people

2482
01:26:09,990 --> 01:26:07,199
yes and it's it's just it's it's

2483
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:10,000
i i guess this kind of classic denial

2484
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:10,560
that we're

2485
01:26:17,350 --> 01:26:13,600
do this

2486
01:26:18,310 --> 01:26:17,360
and um that is that is really repressing

2487
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:18,320
the idea

2488
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:20,480
that we can grow as a space fairing

2489
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:22,560
nation or other species

2490
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:25,760
and it it really kind of it shocks me

2491
01:26:29,189 --> 01:26:27,360
when um this kind of information is

2492
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:29,199
repressed and

2493
01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:30,960
i mean i don't know what what how do you

2494
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:32,320
think we should handle it

2495
01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:34,960
to me it um it completely puzzles me

2496
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:35,440
well

2497
01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:37,120
you know and i'm glad you asked me thank

2498
01:26:41,350 --> 01:26:38,639
you i i

2499
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:41,360
i am not as educated as as other folks

2500
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:42,560
are on this topic

2501
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:43,920
there's always somebody that might know

2502
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:45,840
more than the next person so to speak

2503
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:46,800
however

2504
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:48,639
of the what i view is there's a lot of

2505
01:26:53,189 --> 01:26:50,159
pros and cons

2506
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:53,199
um no matter how we approach

2507
01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:56,560
this topic so if we decide let's just

2508
01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:57,440
pretend

2509
01:27:01,430 --> 01:27:00,080
for the sake of discussion you and i are

2510
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:01,440
the u.s government

2511
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:04,800
okay and we say you know what uh let's

2512
01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:06,480
just throw caution in the wind and let's

2513
01:27:10,229 --> 01:27:06,800
let

2514
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:10,239
everybody know everything we have well

2515
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:13,440
uh you know we might find there might be

2516
01:27:16,870 --> 01:27:14,159
some kind of

2517
01:27:18,629 --> 01:27:16,880
chaotic response from some folks and

2518
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:18,639
some folks who really just could care

2519
01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:20,159
less they continue going on to their

2520
01:27:25,030 --> 01:27:22,719
nine-to-five job and

2521
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:25,040
drinking coffee or beer or whatever and

2522
01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:26,560
watching their shows

2523
01:27:30,229 --> 01:27:29,840
um or they they the u.s government or

2524
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:30,239
other

2525
01:27:34,629 --> 01:27:32,560
governments worldwide can take the safe

2526
01:27:36,390 --> 01:27:34,639
route and just not let anybody know

2527
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:36,400
anything at all

2528
01:27:40,070 --> 01:27:38,639
what seems to be the best alternative

2529
01:27:42,550 --> 01:27:40,080
for a government

2530
01:27:44,709 --> 01:27:42,560
it seems to be the latter so right that

2531
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:44,719
seems to be less cons for them

2532
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:46,560
it always seems like it's to the benefit

2533
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:48,000
of a government to not let them

2534
01:27:52,229 --> 01:27:50,480
anybody know anything and it's never to

2535
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:52,239
the benefit of the people

2536
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:55,280
but their excuses they're helping

2537
01:27:58,550 --> 01:27:57,600
they're saving us and protecting us by

2538
01:28:00,550 --> 01:27:58,560
not sharing

2539
01:28:03,030 --> 01:28:00,560
information that's proprietary to our

2540
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:03,040
governments so do you fall for that is

2541
01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:03,360
that

2542
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:06,800
they're really protecting us from our

2543
01:28:09,990 --> 01:28:08,480
own information that we don't need to

2544
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:10,000
know about

2545
01:28:13,270 --> 01:28:12,480
there are two sides of that coin and i i

2546
01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:13,280
try to make this

2547
01:28:17,990 --> 01:28:16,480
um clear as often as i can

2548
01:28:19,830 --> 01:28:18,000
not the government knows everything they

2549
01:28:21,110 --> 01:28:19,840
they may know 95

2550
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:21,120
of what's going on let's just give it

2551
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:23,280
give them that there's the other 5

2552
01:28:29,110 --> 01:28:26,400
that they're not aware of and if

2553
01:28:29,830 --> 01:28:29,120
it were up to them uh to completely

2554
01:28:33,189 --> 01:28:29,840
release

2555
01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:33,199
all that information and um

2556
01:28:37,350 --> 01:28:35,520
and and by doing so what they're doing

2557
01:28:39,910 --> 01:28:37,360
is they're giving up power and rain

2558
01:28:42,310 --> 01:28:39,920
over the information okay they're giving

2559
01:28:44,070 --> 01:28:42,320
up the ownership of that information

2560
01:28:45,990 --> 01:28:44,080
but there is a point of view that

2561
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:46,000
espouses the fact that this kind of

2562
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:47,760
information because it comes from

2563
01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:49,440
places that we're not sure about you

2564
01:28:52,950 --> 01:28:51,280
know beyond our own solar system

2565
01:28:54,310 --> 01:28:52,960
beyond our galaxy the fact that

2566
01:28:55,830 --> 01:28:54,320
intelligent life

2567
01:28:57,189 --> 01:28:55,840
is out there and they're visiting us

2568
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:57,199
irrespective of how you want to throw

2569
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:57,679
the

2570
01:29:00,950 --> 01:29:00,000
you know sprinkle politics over it okay

2571
01:29:03,510 --> 01:29:00,960
the fact of the matter is

2572
01:29:05,270 --> 01:29:03,520
these are things that are coming from uh

2573
01:29:09,110 --> 01:29:05,280
off-world civilizations

2574
01:29:10,390 --> 01:29:09,120
and we as a as a species are entitled

2575
01:29:12,550 --> 01:29:10,400
to that information it's not the

2576
01:29:13,750 --> 01:29:12,560
government's information they do not own

2577
01:29:16,229 --> 01:29:13,760
this information

2578
01:29:17,510 --> 01:29:16,239
people who are the contactees now we're

2579
01:29:19,830 --> 01:29:17,520
talking ownership

2580
01:29:20,950 --> 01:29:19,840
i mean yeah what kind of dialogue is is

2581
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:20,960
so necessary

2582
01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:23,440
for people to understand that we own

2583
01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:24,000
this

2584
01:29:27,910 --> 01:29:25,760
as a species not as a governmental

2585
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:27,920
organization great answer now i did want

2586
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:29,440
to throw something interesting at you

2587
01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:36,709
so if they're traversing the skies and

2588
01:29:41,910 --> 01:29:38,800
they know what they're doing and they

2589
01:29:44,950 --> 01:29:41,920
land they can say to any private citizen

2590
01:29:45,750 --> 01:29:44,960
hey we know we're here here's where we

2591
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:45,760
went today

2592
01:29:49,990 --> 01:29:47,760
i'm not saying that they do that we own

2593
01:29:52,470 --> 01:29:50,000
this information by the way this is our

2594
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:52,480
itinerary for the last whatever amount

2595
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:53,040
of time

2596
01:29:57,430 --> 01:29:54,800
hey do you want to check it out you know

2597
01:29:59,750 --> 01:29:57,440
because they own that information

2598
01:30:00,790 --> 01:29:59,760
they can bypass whatever our governments

2599
01:30:03,030 --> 01:30:00,800
around the world are saying is

2600
01:30:06,310 --> 01:30:03,040
proprietary or classified in

2601
01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:06,320
whatever form and say hey uh by the way

2602
01:30:10,790 --> 01:30:07,280
here's our e.t

2603
01:30:12,709 --> 01:30:10,800
technology want to check it out you know

2604
01:30:14,629 --> 01:30:12,719
victor that there are abductees contact

2605
01:30:17,910 --> 01:30:14,639
these witnesses and experiencers

2606
01:30:21,350 --> 01:30:17,920
who have stated that they have had a uh

2607
01:30:24,149 --> 01:30:21,360
some kind of uh communication with

2608
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:24,159
other worldly beings that have let them

2609
01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:26,880
know about uh

2610
01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:30,000
et technology underground bases

2611
01:30:36,709 --> 01:30:34,000
uh uh gosh weaponry there are people who

2612
01:30:37,830 --> 01:30:36,719
claim to have uh made discoveries uh uh

2613
01:30:40,310 --> 01:30:37,840
based on uh

2614
01:30:41,510 --> 01:30:40,320
this sort of contact who've ended up

2615
01:30:44,149 --> 01:30:41,520
with patents uh

2616
01:30:45,350 --> 01:30:44,159
uh one fellow with a uh nobel prize i

2617
01:30:48,070 --> 01:30:45,360
mean uh it

2618
01:30:49,110 --> 01:30:48,080
it's been discussed in the past and uh

2619
01:30:50,709 --> 01:30:49,120
maybe some people have

2620
01:30:52,149 --> 01:30:50,719
come up with some pay dirt as a result

2621
01:30:54,629 --> 01:30:52,159
of contact

2622
01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:54,639
yes so he's on it too is that right

2623
01:31:00,390 --> 01:30:55,840
victor

2624
01:31:01,750 --> 01:31:00,400
well what's the own here

2625
01:31:03,430 --> 01:31:01,760
you've turned the argument right on his

2626
01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:03,440
head no you're right

2627
01:31:07,669 --> 01:31:06,000
though i was just not here but anyway

2628
01:31:08,470 --> 01:31:07,679
yeah you may be saying that tug and

2629
01:31:10,629 --> 01:31:08,480
cheek

2630
01:31:11,750 --> 01:31:10,639
well it's it's they own the information

2631
01:31:14,149 --> 01:31:11,760
because essentially

2632
01:31:16,149 --> 01:31:14,159
it's coming from them and in a way they

2633
01:31:17,750 --> 01:31:16,159
they can either be benevolent about

2634
01:31:20,070 --> 01:31:17,760
how they proffer this information and

2635
01:31:21,270 --> 01:31:20,080
assist us as as fellow creatures in in

2636
01:31:23,430 --> 01:31:21,280
the cosmos

2637
01:31:25,750 --> 01:31:23,440
or they can withhold it from us you know

2638
01:31:28,149 --> 01:31:25,760
and as long as the government

2639
01:31:28,790 --> 01:31:28,159
continues to be speculative about this

2640
01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:28,800
fact

2641
01:31:31,830 --> 01:31:30,400
that these people in here here we go

2642
01:31:33,990 --> 01:31:31,840
again

2643
01:31:34,950 --> 01:31:34,000
that these these ets own the information

2644
01:31:36,790 --> 01:31:34,960
and we need to

2645
01:31:38,550 --> 01:31:36,800
share it with them and the longer

2646
01:31:39,910 --> 01:31:38,560
government represses that notion

2647
01:31:41,590 --> 01:31:39,920
the longer it's going to be before we

2648
01:31:42,550 --> 01:31:41,600
grow as the species not before we get

2649
01:31:44,390 --> 01:31:42,560
the information

2650
01:31:46,470 --> 01:31:44,400
we have to grow the species and meet our

2651
01:31:47,990 --> 01:31:46,480
challenges and i think perhaps

2652
01:31:49,750 --> 01:31:48,000
that might be i mentioned that earlier

2653
01:31:51,430 --> 01:31:49,760
that might be the the thing that really

2654
01:31:53,030 --> 01:31:51,440
flips us around once we realize that we

2655
01:31:53,830 --> 01:31:53,040
have to grow get to a certain point in

2656
01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:53,840
our revolution

2657
01:31:56,950 --> 01:31:55,520
where these beings whoever the heck they

2658
01:31:58,709 --> 01:31:56,960
are are gonna say okay i think these

2659
01:32:00,790 --> 01:31:58,719
guys are ready let's kind of

2660
01:32:02,070 --> 01:32:00,800
make this a little bit more obvious but

2661
01:32:03,750 --> 01:32:02,080
in the meantime let's just let them

2662
01:32:05,510 --> 01:32:03,760
guess let them hold their hearings

2663
01:32:07,350 --> 01:32:05,520
let them make up their little documents

2664
01:32:09,110 --> 01:32:07,360
and take their fake near their pictures

2665
01:32:10,390 --> 01:32:09,120
with radar and watch us come and go

2666
01:32:13,510 --> 01:32:10,400
there's nothing do that for now

2667
01:32:14,070 --> 01:32:13,520
it's okay that's where they're at right

2668
01:32:15,830 --> 01:32:14,080
now

2669
01:32:17,669 --> 01:32:15,840
there's a bigger picture out there you

2670
01:32:19,510 --> 01:32:17,679
see what i'm saying all right yes i do

2671
01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:19,520
now you uh actually shared an

2672
01:32:26,470 --> 01:32:22,800
interesting pictogram or graph with me

2673
01:32:29,430 --> 01:32:26,480
it's an octagon shaped uh

2674
01:32:30,470 --> 01:32:29,440
symbol that has uh information embedded

2675
01:32:31,990 --> 01:32:30,480
in it

2676
01:32:33,669 --> 01:32:32,000
is it okay with you if i read a few

2677
01:32:35,830 --> 01:32:33,679
categories from it is sure

2678
01:32:37,910 --> 01:32:35,840
yeah yeah i've got it up now so people

2679
01:32:41,590 --> 01:32:37,920
uh the folks watching can see it

2680
01:32:44,390 --> 01:32:41,600
yes so thank you frank um so a few of

2681
01:32:47,590 --> 01:32:44,400
the categories on this fascinating um

2682
01:32:47,910 --> 01:32:47,600
uh geometric shaped object that you sent

2683
01:32:51,030 --> 01:32:47,920
me

2684
01:32:53,350 --> 01:32:51,040
says society earth health

2685
01:32:55,270 --> 01:32:53,360
military secret government solar system

2686
01:32:57,669 --> 01:32:55,280
technology financial

2687
01:32:59,270 --> 01:32:57,679
and then in the uh middle of that the

2688
01:33:01,750 --> 01:32:59,280
core of it it says

2689
01:33:03,430 --> 01:33:01,760
individual and quantum presence now this

2690
01:33:06,470 --> 01:33:03,440
sounds very kind of

2691
01:33:07,270 --> 01:33:06,480
new agey slightly and also a little bit

2692
01:33:09,990 --> 01:33:07,280
maybe

2693
01:33:11,910 --> 01:33:10,000
uh i don't know what is this informative

2694
01:33:15,510 --> 01:33:11,920
what is this that we're looking at

2695
01:33:17,750 --> 01:33:15,520
well it's uh it's a diagram that i got

2696
01:33:22,229 --> 01:33:17,760
at a conference several years ago

2697
01:33:24,229 --> 01:33:22,239
um and a close colleague of mine was was

2698
01:33:25,590 --> 01:33:24,239
sort of saying well here's the kind of

2699
01:33:28,629 --> 01:33:25,600
model we're going to put forward

2700
01:33:31,189 --> 01:33:28,639
and try to encapsulate

2701
01:33:32,470 --> 01:33:31,199
in in a quantum sense and to gather all

2702
01:33:34,310 --> 01:33:32,480
the information possible to put it

2703
01:33:36,629 --> 01:33:34,320
together to a meaningful whole

2704
01:33:38,709 --> 01:33:36,639
and we'd like to kind of segment it in

2705
01:33:40,709 --> 01:33:38,719
terms of about eight different

2706
01:33:42,470 --> 01:33:40,719
aspects of of the reality and that's the

2707
01:33:45,030 --> 01:33:42,480
outer ring to it the earth

2708
01:33:46,550 --> 01:33:45,040
uh and health and the military and

2709
01:33:47,430 --> 01:33:46,560
secret government here are all the

2710
01:33:50,470 --> 01:33:47,440
issues

2711
01:33:51,910 --> 01:33:50,480
uh that surround that common

2712
01:33:54,550 --> 01:33:51,920
thing that's in the middle the quantum

2713
01:33:56,870 --> 01:33:54,560
presence and then the next line is

2714
01:33:58,390 --> 01:33:56,880
under each one under society for example

2715
01:34:01,910 --> 01:33:58,400
the issue of social justice

2716
01:34:03,750 --> 01:34:01,920
how do we deal with ideological

2717
01:34:04,470 --> 01:34:03,760
polarization how do we deal with

2718
01:34:06,790 --> 01:34:04,480
resource

2719
01:34:08,229 --> 01:34:06,800
theft all of these social issues and

2720
01:34:09,910 --> 01:34:08,239
that's in one segment and then you go to

2721
01:34:11,510 --> 01:34:09,920
earth you look at superstorms and

2722
01:34:13,189 --> 01:34:11,520
extinction of animals then you go on to

2723
01:34:15,830 --> 01:34:13,199
the next one health and in each

2724
01:34:16,790 --> 01:34:15,840
section of the pie you get issues that

2725
01:34:18,550 --> 01:34:16,800
are germane

2726
01:34:20,310 --> 01:34:18,560
to human beings and that are also

2727
01:34:22,870 --> 01:34:20,320
germane to the individual

2728
01:34:24,149 --> 01:34:22,880
and to the group and that coalesces into

2729
01:34:26,709 --> 01:34:24,159
the meaning behind the

2730
01:34:28,390 --> 01:34:26,719
the the diagram we are the quantum

2731
01:34:30,470 --> 01:34:28,400
presence that the collectivity of us

2732
01:34:31,750 --> 01:34:30,480
is us this is what we believe this is

2733
01:34:33,350 --> 01:34:31,760
the way we see the world

2734
01:34:35,430 --> 01:34:33,360
now there may be things in there that

2735
01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:35,440
people don't agree to

2736
01:34:39,189 --> 01:34:36,960
things that should be added things

2737
01:34:40,070 --> 01:34:39,199
should be taken away but this is the

2738
01:34:42,310 --> 01:34:40,080
theory that

2739
01:34:43,910 --> 01:34:42,320
that once we integrate our being into

2740
01:34:47,189 --> 01:34:43,920
the understanding that we're all

2741
01:34:47,990 --> 01:34:47,199
in this together yeah okay and that's

2742
01:34:49,590 --> 01:34:48,000
the bottom line

2743
01:34:50,870 --> 01:34:49,600
if we don't understand all these issues

2744
01:34:51,669 --> 01:34:50,880
we're never going to be able to move

2745
01:34:54,550 --> 01:34:51,679
forward

2746
01:34:55,990 --> 01:34:54,560
and within that quantum presence creates

2747
01:34:56,709 --> 01:34:56,000
a notion for change and that's what the

2748
01:35:00,070 --> 01:34:56,719
idea of

2749
01:35:02,229 --> 01:35:00,080
of um connectivity is all

2750
01:35:04,790 --> 01:35:02,239
um is all about where every single piece

2751
01:35:06,550 --> 01:35:04,800
of matter in the universe

2752
01:35:08,229 --> 01:35:06,560
has an attraction or an influence on

2753
01:35:11,189 --> 01:35:08,239
another one every single

2754
01:35:11,750 --> 01:35:11,199
particle in the cosmos does that so we

2755
01:35:14,950 --> 01:35:11,760
can

2756
01:35:18,470 --> 01:35:14,960
in fact affect the change within us

2757
01:35:20,709 --> 01:35:18,480
now i i thank you i have a question for

2758
01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:20,719
you what would you say to a seemingly

2759
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:22,960
obstinate individual that would look at

2760
01:35:26,470 --> 01:35:23,920
you and go

2761
01:35:28,709 --> 01:35:26,480
i'm not a part of this i don't have

2762
01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:28,719
anything to do with pandemics or

2763
01:35:32,229 --> 01:35:29,920
underground bases

2764
01:35:34,229 --> 01:35:32,239
those aren't real i don't have anything

2765
01:35:37,030 --> 01:35:34,239
to do with nasa cover-ups or

2766
01:35:39,189 --> 01:35:37,040
or global recession i i don't even time

2767
01:35:40,470 --> 01:35:39,199
for that anyway work nine to five i work

2768
01:35:43,430 --> 01:35:40,480
seven days a week i have

2769
01:35:45,430 --> 01:35:43,440
three jobs i have five kids and i can

2770
01:35:46,950 --> 01:35:45,440
barely have time to take a breath and

2771
01:35:48,629 --> 01:35:46,960
think for myself

2772
01:35:51,430 --> 01:35:48,639
what do you have to say to somebody like

2773
01:35:59,270 --> 01:35:54,950
well my first inclination would be to

2774
01:36:03,109 --> 01:35:59,280
to prac uh suggest some psychiatric help

2775
01:36:05,830 --> 01:36:03,119
my first um you know under denialism

2776
01:36:06,950 --> 01:36:05,840
uh no i i understand that that feeling

2777
01:36:08,390 --> 01:36:06,960
is strong and

2778
01:36:10,310 --> 01:36:08,400
and real and there are other other

2779
01:36:12,310 --> 01:36:10,320
aspects to our reality

2780
01:36:14,310 --> 01:36:12,320
this does you know address the idea of

2781
01:36:15,189 --> 01:36:14,320
spirituality and who we are as spiritual

2782
01:36:17,669 --> 01:36:15,199
beings

2783
01:36:19,590 --> 01:36:17,679
and but that to someone who's trying to

2784
01:36:21,430 --> 01:36:19,600
put bread on the table every single day

2785
01:36:23,189 --> 01:36:21,440
really is not all that meaningful and

2786
01:36:26,070 --> 01:36:23,199
and that goes back to my

2787
01:36:27,030 --> 01:36:26,080
earlier statements about how we describe

2788
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:27,040
our world views

2789
01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:28,800
and if your world view is such that well

2790
01:36:31,109 --> 01:36:30,560
i don't need information i don't need

2791
01:36:32,629 --> 01:36:31,119
anything

2792
01:36:34,070 --> 01:36:32,639
i just i just want to be a person and

2793
01:36:35,270 --> 01:36:34,080
just come and go as i please and i don't

2794
01:36:36,629 --> 01:36:35,280
want to deal with anything else that's

2795
01:36:38,470 --> 01:36:36,639
extraneous to my life

2796
01:36:40,070 --> 01:36:38,480
i mean if that's your attitude towards

2797
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:40,080
life and that

2798
01:36:44,470 --> 01:36:42,800
kind of belief system encroaches on us

2799
01:36:45,910 --> 01:36:44,480
as a species to evolve

2800
01:36:47,830 --> 01:36:45,920
that runs again you know we're going to

2801
01:36:50,470 --> 01:36:47,840
be making a real mess of that

2802
01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:50,480
so rather than trying to set yourself

2803
01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:51,360
apart

2804
01:36:54,709 --> 01:36:52,960
and this is the problem with with the

2805
01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:54,719
the the american politic if i could get

2806
01:36:58,390 --> 01:36:55,360
to that

2807
01:37:00,470 --> 01:36:58,400
in a minute that that

2808
01:37:01,510 --> 01:37:00,480
you as an individual have the right to

2809
01:37:04,390 --> 01:37:01,520
do whatever

2810
01:37:05,750 --> 01:37:04,400
the hell you want and i don't care what

2811
01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:05,760
anybody else says

2812
01:37:08,950 --> 01:37:08,080
and don't tell me that i can't do it

2813
01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:08,960
because if you do

2814
01:37:12,390 --> 01:37:10,320
i've got a gun in my back pocket it's

2815
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:12,400
going to prove me right you knew wrong

2816
01:37:17,669 --> 01:37:15,440
that kind of thinking is um

2817
01:37:18,870 --> 01:37:17,679
is in opposition to everything that's in

2818
01:37:20,070 --> 01:37:18,880
the quantum presence that we share

2819
01:37:22,870 --> 01:37:20,080
information we share

2820
01:37:23,430 --> 01:37:22,880
the capacity to understand our species

2821
01:37:25,189 --> 01:37:23,440
rather than

2822
01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:25,199
you know resist it or bring up ideas

2823
01:37:29,669 --> 01:37:26,960
that are going to set us apart

2824
01:37:30,790 --> 01:37:29,679
so the the the the thinking that you

2825
01:37:34,470 --> 01:37:30,800
outline there

2826
01:37:36,149 --> 01:37:34,480
is a form of escapism and

2827
01:37:38,550 --> 01:37:36,159
there's so many people involved in it

2828
01:37:39,109 --> 01:37:38,560
that it's just it's becoming a pandemic

2829
01:37:41,430 --> 01:37:39,119
itself

2830
01:37:42,950 --> 01:37:41,440
for crying out loud victor uh yeah let

2831
01:37:43,590 --> 01:37:42,960
me jump in here chant that victory you

2832
01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:43,600
would mention

2833
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:46,639
time and that is probably the most

2834
01:37:53,030 --> 01:37:49,440
valuable resource any of us really have

2835
01:37:55,030 --> 01:37:53,040
and it is a finite resource to be sure

2836
01:37:57,430 --> 01:37:55,040
but uh the amount of time it takes to

2837
01:37:59,990 --> 01:37:57,440
really dig in on this subject

2838
01:38:01,109 --> 01:38:00,000
and get a get your head around it and

2839
01:38:02,790 --> 01:38:01,119
even then

2840
01:38:04,629 --> 01:38:02,800
there really isn't a there really isn't

2841
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:04,639
enough time you know that to know

2842
01:38:08,870 --> 01:38:06,480
everything that's going on with this uh

2843
01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:08,880
uh you you hope to have at least some

2844
01:38:11,750 --> 01:38:10,320
idea of what's going on

2845
01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:11,760
i mean that's uh that's basically my

2846
01:38:14,709 --> 01:38:13,600
goal i have an idea what's going on you

2847
01:38:17,590 --> 01:38:14,719
know that's about it

2848
01:38:21,189 --> 01:38:17,600
uh but uh time is such a huge factor and

2849
01:38:23,990 --> 01:38:21,199
most folks are really not going to

2850
01:38:24,629 --> 01:38:24,000
invest the amount of time that it takes

2851
01:38:27,669 --> 01:38:24,639
to

2852
01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:27,679
that

2853
01:38:32,070 --> 01:38:30,880
uh you and i and chant and uh obviously

2854
01:38:35,350 --> 01:38:32,080
a few other people

2855
01:38:38,470 --> 01:38:35,360
uh to get again uh to try to get a grip

2856
01:38:41,109 --> 01:38:38,480
on this subject it's it's really a uh

2857
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:41,119
a daunting undertaking i i never

2858
01:38:44,870 --> 01:38:42,400
expected it would

2859
01:38:46,390 --> 01:38:44,880
fill as much time as it as it has for me

2860
01:38:49,109 --> 01:38:46,400
when i got started in it

2861
01:38:53,669 --> 01:38:49,119
and uh just any any thoughts i mean you

2862
01:38:59,189 --> 01:38:57,350
yeah the that whole idea of um how deep

2863
01:39:00,149 --> 01:38:59,199
do you want to get stuck down the rabbit

2864
01:39:02,870 --> 01:39:00,159
hole

2865
01:39:03,669 --> 01:39:02,880
it's a fear of a lot of people and that

2866
01:39:06,310 --> 01:39:03,679
whole idea is

2867
01:39:07,109 --> 01:39:06,320
is um so counterproductive that if you

2868
01:39:08,550 --> 01:39:07,119
don't at least

2869
01:39:10,229 --> 01:39:08,560
step your foot in the rabbit hole to

2870
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:10,239
begin with or at least information that

2871
01:39:12,310 --> 01:39:11,520
you're not comfortable with let's put it

2872
01:39:15,590 --> 01:39:12,320
that way

2873
01:39:16,629 --> 01:39:15,600
how well can we acclimatize our children

2874
01:39:18,310 --> 01:39:16,639
in schools

2875
01:39:20,470 --> 01:39:18,320
to acquaint themselves with information

2876
01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:20,480
that they they just find so hard to

2877
01:39:24,070 --> 01:39:22,000
understand or accept

2878
01:39:25,590 --> 01:39:24,080
and more so accept and understand you

2879
01:39:26,470 --> 01:39:25,600
can understand it but still not accept

2880
01:39:28,070 --> 01:39:26,480
it

2881
01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:28,080
how can we get people to think about

2882
01:39:30,229 --> 01:39:29,600
accepting information that's coming from

2883
01:39:32,709 --> 01:39:30,239
everybody

2884
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:32,719
that's coming to us from the cosmos in

2885
01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:33,760
order to survive

2886
01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:35,440
who we are as a species and evolve to

2887
01:39:39,669 --> 01:39:37,360
whatever we we can be

2888
01:39:41,830 --> 01:39:39,679
is is is that is that the goal behind

2889
01:39:43,669 --> 01:39:41,840
everything or is just the universe is

2890
01:39:45,669 --> 01:39:43,679
coming apart

2891
01:39:47,350 --> 01:39:45,679
you know scene by seam you know with an

2892
01:39:49,510 --> 01:39:47,360
expanding universe and going to

2893
01:39:50,950 --> 01:39:49,520
into hell in that in a hand basket and

2894
01:39:52,229 --> 01:39:50,960
you just better get as much as you can

2895
01:39:55,030 --> 01:39:52,239
as fast as you can

2896
01:39:56,790 --> 01:39:55,040
as long as those kinds of of of of modes

2897
01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:56,800
of reasoning are used

2898
01:40:02,070 --> 01:40:00,320
uh we're stuck we're number one

2899
01:40:04,390 --> 01:40:02,080
uh yeah let me ask you this real quick

2900
01:40:05,750 --> 01:40:04,400
victor uh you talked about uh having an

2901
01:40:07,590 --> 01:40:05,760
education background

2902
01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:07,600
and in the schools i mean forgetting

2903
01:40:11,750 --> 01:40:08,800
completely the

2904
01:40:13,590 --> 01:40:11,760
ufo et topic and just talking about the

2905
01:40:16,390 --> 01:40:13,600
the geography of

2906
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:16,400
uh the universe the the planets and then

2907
01:40:19,990 --> 01:40:17,760
the galaxy and the

2908
01:40:22,629 --> 01:40:20,000
uh the the string of galaxies that are

2909
01:40:25,030 --> 01:40:22,639
out there i mean how much

2910
01:40:26,550 --> 01:40:25,040
at least in your experience how much is

2911
01:40:28,310 --> 01:40:26,560
a subject like that even covered in

2912
01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:28,320
schools

2913
01:40:32,229 --> 01:40:30,320
it's it's covered in a very superfluous

2914
01:40:35,750 --> 01:40:32,239
way and i know because i taught it

2915
01:40:38,470 --> 01:40:35,760
right right exactly exactly you know

2916
01:40:39,189 --> 01:40:38,480
yeah the idea that you can graph

2917
01:40:40,870 --> 01:40:39,199
everything and

2918
01:40:42,870 --> 01:40:40,880
you can draw it you can sort of point

2919
01:40:44,229 --> 01:40:42,880
out everything in a in a very austere

2920
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:44,239
mechanical way as to how

2921
01:40:48,149 --> 01:40:46,000
the cosmos operates and that's you know

2922
01:40:51,350 --> 01:40:48,159
a great

2923
01:40:53,189 --> 01:40:51,360
with uh

2924
01:40:55,030 --> 01:40:53,199
and and you always have to do that with

2925
01:40:58,470 --> 01:40:55,040
learners like you know i'll use your

2926
01:41:00,470 --> 01:40:58,480
example of my example being an educator

2927
01:41:01,669 --> 01:41:00,480
you really have to give people a chance

2928
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:01,679
to uh

2929
01:41:05,750 --> 01:41:04,560
um how can i put it become uncomfortable

2930
01:41:08,070 --> 01:41:05,760
with the information

2931
01:41:10,310 --> 01:41:08,080
you can't give the information to people

2932
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:10,320
and say oh yeah that's okay

2933
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:13,440
oh okay yeah that's all right okay if

2934
01:41:18,390 --> 01:41:15,360
you keep on doing that they become

2935
01:41:20,709 --> 01:41:18,400
placid and they become acceptant

2936
01:41:22,070 --> 01:41:20,719
to anything and everything but if you

2937
01:41:23,910 --> 01:41:22,080
give them information it's going to

2938
01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:23,920
upset them

2939
01:41:27,109 --> 01:41:26,080
that's when returning happens you push

2940
01:41:29,189 --> 01:41:27,119
their crank a little bit

2941
01:41:30,229 --> 01:41:29,199
you tell them things that oh sir that

2942
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:30,239
can't be true

2943
01:41:35,109 --> 01:41:33,760
no it's true you can have water at zero

2944
01:41:37,990 --> 01:41:35,119
degrees centigrade

2945
01:41:39,189 --> 01:41:38,000
and you could have ice at zero degrees

2946
01:41:41,590 --> 01:41:39,199
centigrade

2947
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:41,600
how the heck is that possible you tell

2948
01:41:44,229 --> 01:41:43,760
me how that's possible you think about

2949
01:41:45,669 --> 01:41:44,239
that

2950
01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:45,679
now those kinds of questions aren't

2951
01:41:50,229 --> 01:41:48,400
asked in our public school system

2952
01:41:52,070 --> 01:41:50,239
when you get into that whole fine line

2953
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:52,080
about when freezing happens and when

2954
01:41:57,030 --> 01:41:54,239
liquid liquefication happens

2955
01:41:58,229 --> 01:41:57,040
that opens up a can of worms that are

2956
01:42:01,350 --> 01:41:58,239
it's universal

2957
01:42:02,790 --> 01:42:01,360
it's in those kinds of of um

2958
01:42:04,709 --> 01:42:02,800
the middle ground of information where

2959
01:42:07,350 --> 01:42:04,719
you don't tread uh

2960
01:42:08,629 --> 01:42:07,360
the story is is this a a piano player an

2961
01:42:11,350 --> 01:42:08,639
expert piano player

2962
01:42:11,669 --> 01:42:11,360
world famous is asked by somebody you

2963
01:42:14,390 --> 01:42:11,679
know

2964
01:42:15,590 --> 01:42:14,400
uh mr jones why are you such a great

2965
01:42:17,350 --> 01:42:15,600
pianist what

2966
01:42:19,669 --> 01:42:17,360
what makes you so fantastic at playing

2967
01:42:23,270 --> 01:42:19,679
the piano and he responds

2968
01:42:26,830 --> 01:42:23,280
well anybody can press on a key

2969
01:42:28,870 --> 01:42:26,840
but it's this space that i put between

2970
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:28,880
them and if you think about

2971
01:42:32,149 --> 01:42:31,360
at you know our ways of knowing at that

2972
01:42:34,149 --> 01:42:32,159
level

2973
01:42:35,189 --> 01:42:34,159
then everything becomes fair game

2974
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:35,199
everything becomes

2975
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:37,199
uh shareable it becomes information that

2976
01:42:40,470 --> 01:42:38,960
belongs to everyone

2977
01:42:41,910 --> 01:42:40,480
and that there is another realm out

2978
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:41,920
there the subtle realm as john matt

2979
01:42:46,229 --> 01:42:43,440
calls it i'll say it again

2980
01:42:48,229 --> 01:42:46,239
where it's the difference between this

2981
01:42:48,629 --> 01:42:48,239
corporeal notion of who we are this is

2982
01:42:52,070 --> 01:42:48,639
these

2983
01:42:54,790 --> 01:42:52,080
dense grossly dense bags of water

2984
01:42:56,629 --> 01:42:54,800
as opposed to the more ethereal and

2985
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:56,639
non-corporeal entities that we think

2986
01:42:59,910 --> 01:42:57,840
that we're engaging with

2987
01:43:01,270 --> 01:42:59,920
or at least they have the capacity to be

2988
01:43:03,430 --> 01:43:01,280
that way

2989
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:03,440
they may be able to vibrate their

2990
01:43:17,669 --> 01:43:05,520
apologies i couldn't hear what you said

2991
01:43:20,790 --> 01:43:19,910
yeah so i have a question for you or

2992
01:43:23,910 --> 01:43:20,800
siri

2993
01:43:25,590 --> 01:43:23,920
okay and that is if

2994
01:43:27,109 --> 01:43:25,600
i asked you this actually in a

2995
01:43:29,669 --> 01:43:27,119
pre-interview and your

2996
01:43:31,910 --> 01:43:29,679
answer was really interesting and that

2997
01:43:34,550 --> 01:43:31,920
is uh if you could ask

2998
01:43:36,629 --> 01:43:34,560
an et or an et civilization or

2999
01:43:38,390 --> 01:43:36,639
civilizations a question what would you

3000
01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:38,400
ask them

3001
01:43:44,550 --> 01:43:41,440
um yeah uh

3002
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:44,560
how could i put it i don't know if i'd

3003
01:43:49,030 --> 01:43:45,760
ask them anything

3004
01:43:51,669 --> 01:43:49,040
i really i that would come next

3005
01:43:52,229 --> 01:43:51,679
but i would yeah i guess it would it i

3006
01:43:53,510 --> 01:43:52,239
could put in

3007
01:43:55,510 --> 01:43:53,520
in the form of a question but i would

3008
01:43:58,629 --> 01:43:55,520
tell them something and

3009
01:44:00,149 --> 01:43:58,639
said that you're you're being um you're

3010
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:00,159
being really stubborn here

3011
01:44:05,270 --> 01:44:03,520
okay we are corporeal beings and we need

3012
01:44:07,430 --> 01:44:05,280
something more than just

3013
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:07,440
this fooling around that you're doing

3014
01:44:13,350 --> 01:44:10,400
with these lights in the sky

3015
01:44:14,070 --> 01:44:13,360
what's all the the the the hidden uh

3016
01:44:15,750 --> 01:44:14,080
agenda here

3017
01:44:17,990 --> 01:44:15,760
what's going on why don't we know the

3018
01:44:20,229 --> 01:44:18,000
full story from you not our government

3019
01:44:21,030 --> 01:44:20,239
why is it that you are keeping your

3020
01:44:23,590 --> 01:44:21,040
information

3021
01:44:25,910 --> 01:44:23,600
away from us what what is it about are

3022
01:44:29,189 --> 01:44:25,920
we not worthy yet are we not ready yet

3023
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:29,199
why is that information not flowing to

3024
01:44:32,950 --> 01:44:31,119
us in ways that everyone understands it

3025
01:44:34,709 --> 01:44:32,960
and that would be the question that i'd

3026
01:44:37,030 --> 01:44:34,719
ask and what would you say

3027
01:44:38,709 --> 01:44:37,040
if they told you well we have we have

3028
01:44:40,390 --> 01:44:38,719
shared it we shared it with various

3029
01:44:43,430 --> 01:44:40,400
folks here on the planet

3030
01:44:43,669 --> 01:44:43,440
and uh probably uh hundreds of thousands

3031
01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:43,679
and

3032
01:44:50,629 --> 01:44:48,000
that you want them to share it with the

3033
01:44:51,910 --> 01:44:50,639
whole planet is that what your point is

3034
01:44:53,590 --> 01:44:51,920
well

3035
01:44:55,270 --> 01:44:53,600
one way or another eventually it's going

3036
01:44:57,510 --> 01:44:55,280
to land up to be that way

3037
01:44:58,310 --> 01:44:57,520
it's it's like the the common knowing of

3038
01:45:01,669 --> 01:44:58,320
something

3039
01:45:03,830 --> 01:45:01,679
it becomes infectious um so it's

3040
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:03,840
it's it's like it is it's a lot to do

3041
01:45:07,270 --> 01:45:04,800
with connectivity

3042
01:45:07,990 --> 01:45:07,280
uh with within within the cosmos that

3043
01:45:11,270 --> 01:45:08,000
once

3044
01:45:13,669 --> 01:45:11,280
one particle information

3045
01:45:15,430 --> 01:45:13,679
uh knows what the other particle of

3046
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:15,440
information is is it doing or thinking

3047
01:45:18,229 --> 01:45:16,080
or how it can

3048
01:45:19,990 --> 01:45:18,239
influence it once those two particles

3049
01:45:23,350 --> 01:45:20,000
make that connection

3050
01:45:24,870 --> 01:45:23,360
everything is possible so um

3051
01:45:26,550 --> 01:45:24,880
we have to start making the kind of

3052
01:45:28,310 --> 01:45:26,560
connections that tell us

3053
01:45:30,629 --> 01:45:28,320
that we are more than these corporeal

3054
01:45:32,629 --> 01:45:30,639
beings and that these

3055
01:45:34,229 --> 01:45:32,639
four of these beings are have the

3056
01:45:35,270 --> 01:45:34,239
answers to these kinds of questions or

3057
01:45:37,270 --> 01:45:35,280
at least they may

3058
01:45:38,629 --> 01:45:37,280
allow us to explore the notions it might

3059
01:45:39,430 --> 01:45:38,639
take a hundred years to understand the

3060
01:45:41,750 --> 01:45:39,440
whole thing

3061
01:45:43,030 --> 01:45:41,760
but eventually get to the point where we

3062
01:45:44,470 --> 01:45:43,040
come to believe that there's more than

3063
01:45:46,310 --> 01:45:44,480
just us and his cosmos

3064
01:45:47,910 --> 01:45:46,320
and as a human species we haven't really

3065
01:45:48,629 --> 01:45:47,920
got there yet to understand that full

3066
01:45:51,030 --> 01:45:48,639
notion

3067
01:45:52,709 --> 01:45:51,040
completely interesting well before we

3068
01:45:53,830 --> 01:45:52,719
let you go i do want to let our

3069
01:45:56,870 --> 01:45:53,840
listeners know

3070
01:46:02,910 --> 01:45:56,880
how they can actually go to your website

3071
01:46:06,230 --> 01:46:04,229
zlandcommunications.blogspot.com

3072
01:46:07,629 --> 01:46:06,240
i'll repeat that

3073
01:46:08,870 --> 01:46:07,639
[Music]

3074
01:46:11,109 --> 01:46:08,880
zlandcommunications.blogspot.com and

3075
01:46:13,510 --> 01:46:11,119
frank will also put that url

3076
01:46:14,550 --> 01:46:13,520
in the summary underneath the show and

3077
01:46:16,070 --> 01:46:14,560
did you have any

3078
01:46:18,870 --> 01:46:16,080
last things that you'd like to share

3079
01:46:21,990 --> 01:46:18,880
with us victor before we end the show

3080
01:46:23,109 --> 01:46:22,000
um not really not specifically uh

3081
01:46:25,030 --> 01:46:23,119
i just want to thank you for this

3082
01:46:27,750 --> 01:46:25,040
opportunity to share some of these thank

3083
01:46:28,070 --> 01:46:27,760
you some of these ideas it's not often

3084
01:46:32,070 --> 01:46:28,080
that

3085
01:46:34,550 --> 01:46:32,080
quite often say to people

3086
01:46:35,430 --> 01:46:34,560
um you go for dinner someplace or

3087
01:46:37,350 --> 01:46:35,440
whatever

3088
01:46:38,550 --> 01:46:37,360
and this question comes up you know

3089
01:46:39,990 --> 01:46:38,560
there's four or five

3090
01:46:41,750 --> 01:46:40,000
of us sitting around just discussing

3091
01:46:44,070 --> 01:46:41,760
like we are and

3092
01:46:45,590 --> 01:46:44,080
it it always brings up the notion to me

3093
01:46:45,990 --> 01:46:45,600
that okay we're in a restaurant of busy

3094
01:46:49,430 --> 01:46:46,000
people

3095
01:46:51,510 --> 01:46:49,440
happening right now because of

3096
01:46:52,870 --> 01:46:51,520
the crazy conditions but in the times

3097
01:46:54,629 --> 01:46:52,880
when restaurants were full

3098
01:46:56,709 --> 01:46:54,639
we'd sit there and just you know discuss

3099
01:46:57,590 --> 01:46:56,719
this stuff and so i always asked them

3100
01:47:00,149 --> 01:46:57,600
the question i said

3101
01:47:02,229 --> 01:47:00,159
you know what what are the odds that

3102
01:47:04,310 --> 01:47:02,239
were the only people in this whole

3103
01:47:07,030 --> 01:47:04,320
restaurant talk

3104
01:47:08,470 --> 01:47:07,040
about this and the conclusion obviously

3105
01:47:09,669 --> 01:47:08,480
is

3106
01:47:12,470 --> 01:47:09,679
i don't think there's any table out

3107
01:47:14,390 --> 01:47:12,480
there that's talking about 100

3108
01:47:15,669 --> 01:47:14,400
they're not they're not so if you if you

3109
01:47:19,109 --> 01:47:15,679
extrapolate that to

3110
01:47:20,149 --> 01:47:19,119
a more global perspective on that whole

3111
01:47:21,830 --> 01:47:20,159
issue of

3112
01:47:23,590 --> 01:47:21,840
what are we talking about and how we can

3113
01:47:24,629 --> 01:47:23,600
get other people to talk about it and

3114
01:47:26,229 --> 01:47:24,639
accept it

3115
01:47:28,470 --> 01:47:26,239
that's when we really do the job that we

3116
01:47:29,350 --> 01:47:28,480
need to be doing and that's i guess the

3117
01:47:31,189 --> 01:47:29,360
role of of

3118
01:47:32,550 --> 01:47:31,199
z land communications and trying to get

3119
01:47:35,030 --> 01:47:32,560
that that idea

3120
01:47:36,550 --> 01:47:35,040
to create the dialogue or the conditions

3121
01:47:36,950 --> 01:47:36,560
under which we can all talk about this

3122
01:47:38,950 --> 01:47:36,960
issue

3123
01:47:40,470 --> 01:47:38,960
and not be afraid of it well thank you i

3124
01:47:42,629 --> 01:47:40,480
would like to make a comment regarding

3125
01:47:44,070 --> 01:47:42,639
what you said and that is uh

3126
01:47:45,510 --> 01:47:44,080
they might not be talking about it

3127
01:47:50,870 --> 01:47:45,520
because they don't remember having been

3128
01:47:53,270 --> 01:47:50,880
abducted last night

3129
01:47:54,550 --> 01:47:53,280
you know it's really you know the whole

3130
01:47:56,950 --> 01:47:54,560
idea of of

3131
01:47:58,310 --> 01:47:56,960
knowing someone has been abducted or

3132
01:47:59,430 --> 01:47:58,320
taken or had experience that's put it

3133
01:48:01,750 --> 01:47:59,440
that way experiences

3134
01:48:03,910 --> 01:48:01,760
it's almost become easy for me to to to

3135
01:48:05,430 --> 01:48:03,920
identify the individuals in a room who

3136
01:48:07,430 --> 01:48:05,440
who may have had something

3137
01:48:08,709 --> 01:48:07,440
uh different happen to them it's i don't

3138
01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:08,719
know what it is maybe it's an innate

3139
01:48:11,189 --> 01:48:10,080
sense that i've developed

3140
01:48:13,270 --> 01:48:11,199
but all you have to do is talk to

3141
01:48:16,149 --> 01:48:13,280
someone for 15 minutes and this

3142
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:16,159
situation creeps into the conversation

3143
01:48:21,030 --> 01:48:18,480
you can tell within 10 seconds that

3144
01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:21,040
oh something happened there and then

3145
01:48:24,870 --> 01:48:21,840
other people

3146
01:48:26,870 --> 01:48:24,880
don't get to that point but uh

3147
01:48:28,470 --> 01:48:26,880
there are so many more people out there

3148
01:48:30,709 --> 01:48:28,480
like that that have been

3149
01:48:32,550 --> 01:48:30,719
um introduced to these beings in a way

3150
01:48:33,910 --> 01:48:32,560
that's a little nefarious as far as i'm

3151
01:48:34,870 --> 01:48:33,920
concerned i wish they become more clean

3152
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:34,880
than that but

3153
01:48:37,910 --> 01:48:36,560
uh the fact that matters these people

3154
01:48:39,350 --> 01:48:37,920
are going to tell their story

3155
01:48:40,550 --> 01:48:39,360
and we're going to give them the

3156
01:48:41,510 --> 01:48:40,560
opportunity to tell their story and

3157
01:48:44,070 --> 01:48:41,520
become acceptable

3158
01:48:45,990 --> 01:48:44,080
uh to the rest of human society so

3159
01:48:47,270 --> 01:48:46,000
that's what we're all about and uh

3160
01:48:48,709 --> 01:48:47,280
thanks for the opportunity to share this

3161
01:48:49,350 --> 01:48:48,719
stuff with you yeah thanks so much

3162
01:48:51,189 --> 01:48:49,360
victor

3163
01:48:52,870 --> 01:48:51,199
yes uh we're very appreciative of your

3164
01:48:54,550 --> 01:48:52,880
time and uh it was just

3165
01:48:55,910 --> 01:48:54,560
a really wonderful discussion we look

3166
01:48:58,229 --> 01:48:55,920
forward to the privilege in

3167
01:49:00,070 --> 01:48:58,239
interviewing you again i look forward to

3168
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:00,080
that too thank you very much

3169
01:49:05,990 --> 01:49:03,840
thank you so uh that is it

3170
01:49:06,950 --> 01:49:06,000
a great interview with victor uh thanks

3171
01:49:09,030 --> 01:49:06,960
so much chant

3172
01:49:10,390 --> 01:49:09,040
and i'm gonna wrap things up here uh

3173
01:49:13,990 --> 01:49:10,400
we're getting into the

3174
01:49:15,589 --> 01:49:14,000
home stretch as far as me having to work

3175
01:49:16,629 --> 01:49:15,599
for the rest of the year coming up on

3176
01:49:18,870 --> 01:49:16,639
christmas break

3177
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:18,880
so i think i will probably be picking up

3178
01:49:22,709 --> 01:49:20,400
the pace a little bit and doing more of

3179
01:49:25,830 --> 01:49:22,719
these shows

3180
01:49:28,390 --> 01:49:25,840
that sound okay to you chant that sounds

3181
01:49:29,990 --> 01:49:28,400
fabulous and i really appreciate this

3182
01:49:30,950 --> 01:49:30,000
wonderful guest that we've had on

3183
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:30,960
tonight

3184
01:49:34,229 --> 01:49:32,400
very grateful that we've had the

3185
01:49:35,990 --> 01:49:34,239
opportunity to speak with him and

3186
01:49:37,669 --> 01:49:36,000
also would like to thank victor he has

3187
01:49:40,070 --> 01:49:37,679
spent four decades working very

3188
01:49:42,229 --> 01:49:40,080
diligently and meticulously on this

3189
01:49:43,109 --> 01:49:42,239
these topics that we went over the ufo

3190
01:49:46,470 --> 01:49:43,119
slash et

3191
01:49:48,310 --> 01:49:46,480
topic and more and also has dedicated a

3192
01:49:49,109 --> 01:49:48,320
good part of his life to listening to

3193
01:49:51,189 --> 01:49:49,119
people

3194
01:49:52,470 --> 01:49:51,199
that have been involved in the ufo slash

3195
01:49:54,629 --> 01:49:52,480
ut topic

3196
01:49:56,229 --> 01:49:54,639
and uh just really feel like you're very

3197
01:49:57,990 --> 01:49:56,239
special person we're very grateful to

3198
01:50:00,390 --> 01:49:58,000
you so thank you so much

3199
01:50:01,270 --> 01:50:00,400
thanks again victor thank you again

3200
01:50:03,510 --> 01:50:01,280
thank you

3201
01:50:04,709 --> 01:50:03,520
and uh that is it i'm gonna wrap things

3202
01:50:06,790 --> 01:50:04,719
up now and

3203
01:50:08,149 --> 01:50:06,800
enjoy the rest of your weekend everybody

3204
01:50:10,070 --> 01:50:08,159
and uh we will uh